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2010/08/31 22:39:42 (permalink)
My laptop (ASUS G51JX) has a single fan in it. The CPU and GPU coolers are stacked right next to eachother and this single fan blows through to cool both of them.  That being the case, the fan is not directly controlled by the video card and is instead controlled by the motherboard.  I have no control over the fan speed by use of software.   The only way I can change fan speed is by physical modification of the circuit.
 
I will keep you posted!
 
EDIT: Modification documented in post # 8.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2011/03/10 23:33:12

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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/01 01:01:22 (permalink)
    Interesting stuff Ty.  I look forward to reading/seeing more.
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/01 05:35:14 (permalink)
    Its already done for you with this fan...I have 2 and they work VERY well.
    http://www.frozencpu.com/...HPVC.html?tl=g36c15s69
    Enjoy!

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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/01 06:47:49 (permalink)
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/01 07:43:44 (permalink)
    Good stuff ty_ger07, I look forward to hearing more.  BR for you sir.



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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/01 12:25:58 (permalink)
    ty_ger07

    RBIEZE

    Its already done for you with this fan...I have 2 and they work VERY well.
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10458/fan-690/Scythe_Kaze-Jyuni_Slip_Stream_120mm_x_25mm_PWM_and_VR_Fan_-_SY1225SL12HPVC.html?tl=g36c15s69
    Enjoy!

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/image/10458/fan-690_2.jpg/fan-690/Scythe_Kaze-Jyuni_Slip_Stream_120mm_x_25mm_PWM_and_VR_Fan_-_SY1225SL12HPVC.html


    Huh?  How do you expect me to mount one of those fans in my laptop?



    Remove the CPU naturally...j/k!


    I understand why, but what made you think of this option?  Is it just something to tinker with / prove or out of necessity?
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/01 18:06:40 (permalink)
    Well, my compulsive urge to tinker is part of the motivation which drives me to do this, but my higher cooling expectations also drives it.  I am sure that many of us computer enthusiasts agree that video card fan profiles quite often are not optimal and often heavily favor fan noise level concerns instead of cooling performance.  The numbers of programs out there which are designed to alter video card fan speed and the number of people who use them is a testament to this.  With laptops, this lack of cooling performance turns into even more of an issue due to added concerns about power consumption and battery performance.
     
    While I'm not too sure that increasing my fan performance will greatly affect video card temperature (due to limitations to the video card cooler's design/size), I want to try anyways.

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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/08 19:05:45 (permalink)
    Here is the schematic of the solution I finally settled on:


     
    As you see in the schematic, I have decided to go with a two-position switch.  This provides me with an auto fan speed or 100% fan speed depending on switch position. 
     
    Here is the mod I had already previously done to the laptop fan:


     
    The mod consisted of simply soldering a 17kΩ resistor in series with the tachometer sense wire.  I removed my
    previous mod and then connected the tachometer sense wire to a breadboard to do some testing.
     


     
     

     
    Once done testing, I soldered it up onto a little circuit board.
     


     
    Notice how I used shrink tubing as much as possible to keep the mod "clean" looking.  Then, I applied a bit of
    liquid tape to the finished soldering job in order to protect the circuitry from the conductive laptop access
    panel you will see in a bit.
     


     
    Here is the inside of the access panel.  You see that it has a conductive coating applied to it which is
    designed to reflect heat.  I didn't want my fan tachometer wiring to short to ground.  I cut one of the slots
    larger to fit the switch through the slot.
     


     
    Then, I had to come up with some way to attach the switch to the panel.  I decided that I would tether the
    circuit board to the access panel with wire.  Here I have attached two anchor wires to the circuit board.
     


     


     
    Then, I inserted the switch through the slot, passed the anchor wires around the other side of the access
    panel, and then soldered the anchor wires back to the circuit board to hold it in place.
     


     


     
    Finally, I applied a little sealant over the top to help secure the circuit board in place and make it blend
    in better with the access panel.
     


     
     
     
    And now for some results! Pay little attention to the poor image quality you see in the DiRT 2 game window.  I
    normally play the game full screen and just windowed the game for each screenshot so that RealTemp could be
    viewed.  For some reason, while in windowed mode, the game looks horrible.
     
    Anyways...  Here are the auto fan speed versus 100% fan speed comparisons.
     
    Auto (default):
     


     
    100%:
     


     
     
     
    As you see, video card loaded maximum temperature dropped by 4°C.  It is also worth noting that while DiRT 2
    certainly isn't a CPU stress test program, in this instance, maximum CPU temperature dropped 0-3°C as well. 
    This is most likely due to the fact that the laptop only has one fan and that fan cools both the CPU and GPU.
     
    EDIT:  I achieved a further 6*C drop in GPU temperature by switching my GPU thermal paste out from Arctic Silver 5 to IC Diamond.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2011/03/10 23:36:33

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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/09 07:29:53 (permalink)
    Well done!

    Have you thought about putting new/better TIM on the CPU and GPU?  That may help with temps as well.
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/09 08:39:40 (permalink)
    mnparadox

    Well done!

    Have you thought about putting new/better TIM on the CPU and GPU?  That may help with temps as well.


    I have already and experienced ~5c drop in maximum video card core temperature and ~8c drop in maximum CPU core temperature switching the stock TIM to AS5.
     
    I was going to try out some IC Diamond, but for some reason Falcon never sent me a sample tube even though he said it was in the works. 
     
    EDIT: Got the stuff from Falcon and it dropped my GPU load temperature another 6*C at auto fan position compared to AS5.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2011/03/13 18:44:34
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/09 09:48:06 (permalink)
    And the bigger picture:
     

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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. 2010/09/09 09:56:55 (permalink)
    Outstanding work Ty!  Looks better than what I pictured as well.  Very nice stuff from you as always.
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. **image heavy** 2011/01/06 11:17:05 (permalink)
    I finally got around to doing this mod. Thanks for the guide you put up. One question though, i'm not super electronicaly inclined but i know a little bit, what is the capacitor for? I know what they do in other applications like car sound systems and cameras and what not but what purpose does it serve here? I followed your schematic with the .047 farad cap anyway but i was just curious.


     
    All in all it was a worthwhile mod, dropped 8c on the gpu. Haven't done any CPU testing yet but i'm sure i'll see similar results.
    Default Fan Setting:

    Full fan setting:

     
    EDIT: I didn't realize how small the pics would be, the default fan setting hit a max of 90c and the full fan setting hit 82c.
     
    What angers me though is that you'd think the manufacturers of gaming notebooks, who are fully aware of how hot they get, would add some type of manual fan adjustment, the whole project costed me less than 10 bucks and took me under an hour, on an assembly line it could be done for pennies in seconds.
     
    I think EVGA needs to get popping on a line of gaming laptops, lets get a petition going
     
    post edited by MrHaViK - 2011/01/06 11:21:58
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. **image heavy** 2011/03/09 22:11:01 (permalink)
    MrHaViK

    One question though, i'm not super electronicaly inclined but i know a little bit, what is the capacitor for? I know what they do in other applications like car sound systems and cameras and what not but what purpose does it serve here? I followed your schematic with the .047 farad cap anyway but i was just curious.


    The capacitor is probably not necessary since the PWM output is high impedance, but I figured it couldn't hurt to absorb the PWM output into a capacitor instead of having it just sitting there floating across no load.
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. **image heavy** 2011/03/13 10:16:09 (permalink)
    very nice mod! guess instead of using an existing slot you could have drilled a small hole for the switch to function and 2 more holes for screws. Either way, +1!


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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. **image heavy** 2012/08/19 12:28:41 (permalink)
    Hi ty_ger07,

     Great work on your mod! I am very interested in this, and was wondering how this mod would change if you instead wanted to force the fan to run 100% of the time. I am lacking in knowledge of the specs of the fan or in fan technology in general, but have taken electronics courses and am skilled with soldering iron. Quick searching it looks like some sort of generator would be required to create the PWM waveform. But this is not part of your circuit, so this must be coming from the MB. So is there some other wire that I can simply short to to send the "on" signal?

    Thanks in advance,
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    Re:"Hard" manual fan speed mod. **image heavy** 2012/08/19 14:23:13 (permalink)
    Just re-read your post and noticed your "previous mod...simply soldering a 17kΩ resistor in series with the tachometer sense wire". Would this accomplish setting the fan to being always on by giving the motherboard a low reading from the tachometer? Sorry if I am completely off, just trying to figure out how this works.

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