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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:30:24
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VistaHead
why all of a sudden the concern for those that may not be financial as well off as you, and have to actually be concerned about their utility bills?
For those who know me in real life and who have bought stuff off me from the EVGA marketplace, you will see that I care for people and want the best for them and to be able to experience a great time without suffering. I care about people. It is just how I am. It certainly is "not" a character trait that is flawed. It is one that many strive for and is deamed very desirable in society. 
Then where is your thread expressing the same electricity usage concerns for those less fortunate when you started running your multiple 5870 ATI cards? If I missed it, please provide me the link.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:33:19
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For those who know me in real life and who have bought stuff off me from the EVGA marketplace, you will see that I care for people and want the best for them and to be able to experience a great time without suffering. I care about people. It is just how I am. It certainly is "not" a character trait that is flawed. It is one that many strive for and is deamed very desirable in society. Sounds like an ati fan hallmark card moment.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:34:53
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1. If you set your thermostat to turn off during the day (when most people are not at home) and then come back on an hour before you get home, you can save energy. It take less energy to cool a house later than it does to keep a house cool all day (especially during the heat of the day). But, according to you "it just isn't done, period" so what do I know 
I'm sorry, but that is not how it works. It is the exact inverse of what you are saying. I thought this was something that every human being knew? :(
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:42:48
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:43:08
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:45:41
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the TDP of the GTX 480 is 250 watts whereas the TDP of a GTX295 is about 289 watts I believe. I really don't care what the other websites are saying I believe this is what NVIDIA has stated. So if you are comfortable with your electric bill of a GTX 295 then a GTX 480 should be about the same or less.
While I see your point, I think the answer is a little deeper as many of us will want to run these in SLI. Then the question shifts to if your ok with running the equilivant of two 295's, that's a lot of power.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:46:13
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why all of a sudden the concern for those that may not be financial as well off as you, and have to actually be concerned about their utility bills?
For those who know me in real life and who have bought stuff off me from the EVGA marketplace, you will see that I care for people and want the best for them and to be able to experience a great time without suffering. I care about people. It is just how I am. It certainly is "not" a character trait that is flawed. It is one that many strive for and is deamed very desirable in society.
Then where is your thread expressing the same electricity usage concerns for those less fortunate when you started running your multiple 5870 ATI cards? If I missed it, please provide me the link.
Excuse me but the 5870s are VERY VERY VERY energy efficient. I never ever ever recommended anyone to ever buy 3 x 5870s, period. Please provide me the link. edit: I'm sorry but you cannot even compare the energy efficiency of the 480 to the 5870 so I really don't even see what your point is. The whole post resembles something from the twilight zone to be quite honest.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:46:51
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Then where is your thread expressing the same electricity usage concerns for those less fortunate when you started running your multiple 5870 ATI cards? If I missed it, please provide me the link.
ATI seems to be pretty efficient with power usage on their 5000 series.
Look at how big of a difference there is between the 5870 and 480.
http://images.anandtech.c...032610115215/22204.png
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:50:21
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I am late to this party.. But just wanted to add this. In this post I made a similar OMG... In response to this thread... I Fold... So it is of concern to me. Not because of one card... But because I historically buy a lot of the current gen cards through the year and end up with 3-5 systems running at all times... Running 4-6 of these at a time will be about $100-250 extra a month in my bill. I want to contribute... It is likely I will still do it anyway. All I am saying is this potentially may keep me from doing what I normally do, and just keep with my current plan to wait for the 2nd version of these bad-boys this fall/winter... So the extra heat... No big deal.. Water-block are the only true solution for me wants and needs... Easy one... But the actual power usage according to that pic in the thread I linked above..... Concerns me greatly. I have no idea if it is true.. I am only spreading the rumor. Nothing more. When the facts come in then we will know. 
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:51:04
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Then where is your thread expressing the same electricity usage concerns for those less fortunate when you started running your multiple 5870 ATI cards? If I missed it, please provide me the link.
ATI seems to be pretty efficient with power usage on their 5000 series.
Look at how big of a difference there is between the 5870 and 480.
http://images.anandtech.c...032610115215/22204.png
http://images.anandtech.c...032610115215/22207.png
Thanks. I knew that. Luv knows and understands what I am asking him.
No I do not. I never recommended anyone to buy 3 x 5870s. The 5870 is an EXTREMELY energy efficient card. You cannot fault me for me recommending someone to buy the 5870 on a power consumption standpoint. Do you think the 5870 is not power efficient as well? That is the only way what you said would make sense, but we all know that is not the case.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 11:53:33
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This is getting blown way out of proportion. Even at 90 degrees from the card/computer, it's not going to make your room hot. How big is your room, 4'x4'?
Concerned with your electric bill? lol. If someone's running 3x295's in SLI - how come you didn't raise this point when the 295's came out and people wanted to SLI them. Nonetheless, sure, there's going to be more heat dissipation, but really, it's not going to turn your room into a sauna.
I'll tell you what, when I get my GTX 480, I'll re-enable my UPS software and it'll let me know exactly how many Watts I'm using idle/load and I'll let you know. Right now, as I've said before in previous threads, my system (with the GTX280 XXX) idles at around 237 W and with load is at 270 W. Seeing that the GTX 480 is pretty much double, my guess is the total Wattage would be in the upper 300 W.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 12:03:44
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i think a higher electric bill is a pretty ridiculous argument against 480 and 470.
#1. you arent running your computer 24/7
#2. when running your computer you arent running the gpus at load the 100% of the time
#3. seems like quite a few people are running multiple gpus, i am running 3 myself, so they are already sucking massive amounts of power.
#4. i really think that now people are just nitpicking.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 12:09:05
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Then where is your thread expressing the same electricity usage concerns for those less fortunate when you started running your multiple 5870 ATI cards? If I missed it, please provide me the link.
ATI seems to be pretty efficient with power usage on their 5000 series.
Look at how big of a difference there is between the 5870 and 480.
http://images.anandtech.c...032610115215/22204.png
http://images.anandtech.c...032610115215/22207.png
Thanks. I knew that. Luv knows and understands what I am asking him.
No I do not. I never recommended anyone to buy 3 x 5870s. The 5870 is an EXTREMELY energy efficient card. You cannot fault me for me recommending someone to buy the 5870 on a power consumption standpoint. Do you think the 5870 is not power efficient as well? That is the only way what you said would make sense, but we all know that is not the case.
Then since you do not understand, I will briefly explain. I never mentioned anything about you recommending anyone buy three of anything. While yes, the 5870 is more energy efficient, it is still not one of the lower end power usage cards, and I just don't remember you ever starting a thread about the electricity usage of the card in regards to the impact of running multiple cards on one's electric bill, yet you choose to do just that with the Nvidia card. What I don't understand is why you would post a thread like this which can very easily be perceived as bashing the card. Let's not play coy games here....you, along with most members of this forum are fully aware of the many threads that turned into ATI vs. Nvidia flame wars, and you were extensively involved in quite a few of them, therefore, can you honestly say that you can see no way that this thread could be considered as bashing the card?
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 12:12:00
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I have been putting a lot of serious thought into the GTX470 & GTX480. I have read all the reviews and analyzed a lot of the data. We all now know that Fermi is a hot card and uses a lot of power. However, what are the realistic downsides to this? The only thing I have been hearing is that it will cause the temperature in your room to be hotter. That is a given.
This brings me to a new concern as a result of the heat production of the card. This concern is the cost associated with running the card in your computer system? I do realize that many of us here already have 850W and greater PSUs and put them to good use, but can we really afford to push the limits even further?
I think a good review would be for someone to calculate the cost of running a single and multi-GPU GTX480 setup. After you install the card(s), calculate the differences over a few month period of time to that of what your bill was the year prior in that same period of time.
The real cost is not only $100 more than the HD5870, but those GTX480 adopters will also incurr higher electric bills which could add up to a whole heck of a lot very quickly. I'm guessing that the cost of running the cards compared to an = # GPU 5870 setup will be $30 - $50 a month extra. That means in two months, there would be a $200 difference in the price of the GTX480 compared to the HD5870. In a year, the GTX480 gamer will pay an extra ~$600 compared to the HD5870 owner.
DISCUSS....
edit: The figures are guestimates for someone who games A LOT which I'm sure many here obviously do.
thats the very reason I'm hesitant to pull the trigger on this batch, bling is one thing but overall cost is another..
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 12:16:29
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i know when i moved in with my girl now my wife her bill shot up 70bucks the first month with my system..Tho i am not concerned with the electric bill..its the redicluois heat this card will spit out..That is why i will most likely stick with ati..Infact you can overclock a hd 5870 and be on the same lvl of performance as fermi..not in tessellation but i guess right now that does not matter..
Fermi could be a fantastic future card if they can do something about the heat in the future..right now temps are stupidly to high..i can see alot of rma's happening
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 12:55:39
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luv2increase
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Then where is your thread expressing the same electricity usage concerns for those less fortunate when you started running your multiple 5870 ATI cards? If I missed it, please provide me the link.
ATI seems to be pretty efficient with power usage on their 5000 series.
Look at how big of a difference there is between the 5870 and 480.
http://images.anandtech.c...032610115215/22204.png
http://images.anandtech.c...032610115215/22207.png
Thanks. I knew that. Luv knows and understands what I am asking him.
No I do not. I never recommended anyone to buy 3 x 5870s. The 5870 is an EXTREMELY energy efficient card. You cannot fault me for me recommending someone to buy the 5870 on a power consumption standpoint. Do you think the 5870 is not power efficient as well? That is the only way what you said would make sense, but we all know that is not the case.
Then since you do not understand, I will briefly explain. I never mentioned anything about you recommending anyone buy three of anything. While yes, the 5870 is more energy efficient, it is still not one of the lower end power usage cards, and I just don't remember you ever starting a thread about the electricity usage of the card in regards to the impact of running multiple cards on one's electric bill, yet you choose to do just that with the Nvidia card. What I don't understand is why you would post a thread like this which can very easily be perceived as bashing the card. Let's not play coy games here....you, along with most members of this forum are fully aware of the many threads that turned into ATI vs. Nvidia flame wars, and you were extensively involved in quite a few of them, therefore, can you honestly say that you can see no way that this thread could be considered as bashing the card?
Power nor heat is a concern with 5870. It never has been nor will be. You can't attribute that argument to the 5870, hence the reason why I never brought it up. The 5870 doesn't use that much power. When we talk about power consumption and heat in reviews, we usually are talking about 1 to 1 as in 1 5870 to 1 480. Can I apply here what I have said about the 480 as it relates to heat and power to the 5870? No. End of story. The 5870 runs cool, isn't loud at all and doesn't draw a lot of current. I don't know what you are trying to get at here. It just looks like you are trying to make something out of nothing.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 12:56:56
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If it was Energy star approved it would qualify for a Heating 500.00 Tax credit 
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:19:24
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i think a higher electric bill is a pretty ridiculous argument against 480 and 470.
#1. you arent running your computer 24/7
#2. when running your computer you arent running the gpus at load the 100% of the time
#3. seems like quite a few people are running multiple gpus, i am running 3 myself, so they are already sucking massive amounts of power.
#4. i really think that now people are just nitpicking.
Nitpicking? is anyone here worried about 80-90c load temps..i would never get a card to game with that hits that kinda heat.it would never last. its not nitpicking its got people worried..and what about folks who want to sli..just think of 3 of them grills in a system if them temps are true..wow even running 2 would worry me with temps like that..66c is about what im willing to game at on air..ati cards never even get that hot even with heavy voltage overclocks..granted fan is at 55%..my guess is turning gtx 480 fan to 100% wont bring them temps to 70c
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:28:39
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Power nor heat is a concern with 5870. It never has been nor will be. You can't attribute that argument to the 5870, hence the reason why I never brought it up. The 5870 doesn't use that much power. When we talk about power consumption and heat in reviews, we usually are talking about 1 to 1 as in 1 5870 to 1 480.
Can I apply here what I have said about the 480 as it relates to heat and power to the 5870? No. End of story. The 5870 runs cool, isn't loud at all and doesn't draw a lot of current. I don't know what you are trying to get at here. It just looks like you are trying to make something out of nothing.
Luv, all I am saying is....from a historical standpoint, I wish that you had not posted this thread. It's all good. No harm, no foul.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:31:52
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vista head fighting luv2 is like fighting a brick wall only i think a brick wall does better at the command stay ;)
hes not an ati fanboi hes a troll looking for a fight
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:33:01
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^^^ where have you been? It's been a while since you posted, has it not (or have I missed them)?
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:38:06
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yes it HAS been a while howve you been? i thought you would of broken luv2 by now but i see hes at his usual trolling
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:38:43
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NVIDIA wouldn't have released them if they thought they wouldn't be reliable. They're QA approved. I'm not worried, and apparently neither is NVIDIA. Otherwise, they would have not put the cards on the market.
NASA's space shuttle churns out a lot of heat, but they too have got materials that handle those types of temperatures.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:40:17
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A few things missing the mark here, the card will run a lot cooler once the fan is cranked up. The arguement of the added noise level from a higher running fan is weak at best. I say this because anyone who has played with fan speeds knows there is a happy middle ground between acceptable noise level & desired temps. Another thing is even if you do end up leaving the fan as is & the card reaches 90c, this is far from the temp being expelled from the rear of your case. Take a readin & see for yourself, I did this experiement last summer & just repeated it again to comfirm. My GTX 295 FTW tops out at 71c (keep in mind all the drama of people claiming this card to be a power hungry flame thrower when it was first released) but the air out the rear of the case measured around 47c while the air from my CPU cooler was at 32c. The required power supplies for the 400 series are much smaller then what is found in most high end gaming computers already so there is no super deal breaker there either. The card was deigned to compete against the gaming performance potential of the 5870 & it does that well,anything outside of that is just nitpicking at best. Either way to all the negative vibes people are trying to spread on these cards, it seams vendors can't keep them on the shelves so it would seem what one considers to be a deal breaker others view as no big deal. i do however notice that most of the people fighting against this card are flying red flags.......
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:43:29
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hey how do i post my BC2 sig? or how to even get one? also ill be back later gotta go to work to pay off the 480 im awaiting XD
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:44:59
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Nex_Lupus
yes it HAS been a while howve you been? i thought you would of broken luv2 by now but i see hes at his usual trolling
I am fine .....welcome back....good to see that you are still here! LOL...forum members are forum members...like life itself, it takes all kinds to be well rounded.
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chizow
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 13:51:15
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Well, I personally think the power/electricity concern is a valid issue. GTX 470/480's power consumption under both idle and load are clearly disappointing and a step backward from what the GT200 series brought, particularly with power savings while idle. I guess part of it is the shock of seeing how much more power GTX 480 consumes under both idle and load, but I think the real shock is that the 2nd card is fully scaling where in the past, Nvidia has typically shown considerable power savings in multi-GPU configs. So this time around, that 250W TDP is a very real indicator of its power draw, where in the past, it might've been overstated. GTX 280 rated TDP @ 236W for example is actually closer to 200W in practice. So that extra 50W TDP is a real 50W, and in SLI, its a real 100W. How this translates to your power bill should be relatively easy to calculate, I'm sure there's power calculators on various sites but for me, its like running an extra 100W lightbulb while you game and a 40W lightbulb when you're not, all year round. In the summer time, you need to factor in the additional cost of air conditioning, if you have central air this may cost more, if you have a room unit or multiple condenser units you may be able to localize cooling a bit to save on overall costs. I personally know for a fact, an extra 100W lightbulb in my gaming room is going to lead to considerably more discomfort unless I crank up central air, which will increase my overall cooling costs. Otherwise, I'd have to look into a window cooling unit, which is going to reduce temperature discomfort, but simultaneous increase noise pollution and discomfort. Your actual situation may vary of course, depending on what you're running now. That's why I'm looking at 2x470 in SLI over 2x480 SLI, I'm willing to deal with another 15-20W, 70-100W......no. Honestly just test it out yourself if you're unsure, put a 100W lamp next to your PC and run it whenever you game. Even my 40-60W energy efficient bulbs get turned off when I game...its noticeable. Edit: and on the flipside with cooling as others pointed out, there's heating savings in the winter, but winter is over, and I can always put on a snuggie in the winter when I'm cold.....
post edited by chizow - 2010/03/27 14:45:04
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 14:06:38
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I know there is a noticeable difference in my power bill because of my rig. my 295 eats up some power. when Nexus Phase and I were roommates 2 oc'd systems with each with a 295? we had $300 a month E-bills there were 2 garbage systems on some times and my current roommates decent dual core/9800gtx rig. after we both got 295 our E-bill went up over $100 month from before we had them. It adds up but......I game therefor I.....dont.......give......a.......flying........manatee about the power bill, itll get paid. Right now my bill in a smaller place with less people and only one 295 is only $100 a month
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 14:13:16
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Maybe $50 a month if you have your PC running at full load for 30 days. In general if you game lets say 4-5 days a week at 5 hours per day. The overall break down might be $12-$15 more per month.
You don't buy a $500+ GPU to be worried about your power bill or even power consumption. The whole break down of power being a purchase factor is beyond stupid. But hey if that is your deal go jump on the "being green" bandwagon and buy a 6200 card & a atom CPU.
I used to believe that. But really, they should have been more power efficiency since the gap against the 5870 is tiny. Being a 500 + item does not justify ridiculous power requirements.
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Re:Electric Bill
2010/03/27 14:42:04
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I think another valid concern for people who upgrade every 3-4ish years like me is long term reliability. High temperatures are not friends of silicon. It will be interesting to see if there are problems with these cards down the road.
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