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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/23 21:18:32 (permalink)
But if 1GB is not enough, what is? I mean, what about everyone else who buys 1GB cards like the 450/550 and 550/560? Are you saying its not enough to max every setting? All I know, is that I can guarantee I will see a huge jump in performance between my old 470 and this 2Win card. 
 
And I may have jumped on this card prematurely, but again as I was saying, if I really don't like it, I can return it and just go with a 570, or front the extra 50 bucks and go with a 580 (wish this one would be available for the step up program). I wont be gaming on anything more than 1080p for a long time (just bought a new LED monitor :P)
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/23 22:15:44 (permalink)
IMO, yea for some games it is good for but games with cutting edge engines like Cry2, Cry3, Frostbite 2, ID Tech 4 (even old dx9 games like gta4 uses more than a gig) and so on I would say no. Also what do you call a big jump, this is purely hypothetical but Im willing to guess that a 470 @ 1.087 with 800mhz or more will beat 2 gtx 460's in a synthetic benchmark. I think heat will be the big issue with this card when it comes to overvolting and clocking.
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But if 1GB is not enough, what is? I mean, what about everyone else who buys 1GB cards like the 450/550 and 550/560? Are you saying its not enough to max every setting? All I know, is that I can guarantee I will see a huge jump in performance between my old 470 and this 2Win card. 

And I may have jumped on this card prematurely, but again as I was saying, if I really don't like it, I can return it and just go with a 570, or front the extra 50 bucks and go with a 580 (wish this one would be available for the step up program). I wont be gaming on anything more than 1080p for a long time (just bought a new LED monitor :P)



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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/23 22:58:08 (permalink)
I think this card will be great for those people that fit its target market.  It would have been perfect for me, but the price was a little too high for me to justify.
There is something out there for everyone.  Obviously this card does in fact meet peoples needs, but I think it's important to take it for what it is.  It's a duel 460 card.  It's not supposed to be the next wonder card that will make your rig the envy of every gamer and bencher out there.  It's supposed to be a more powerful single slot solution that offers SLI performance to those that seek it on specific systems that warrent specific solutions.
EVGA putting their marketing together and showing its performance on a couple benchmarks compared to the 580 is smart marketing, but I think it makes people get the wrong idea about its purpose.
Sure, you can make a Honda Civic get from 0 to 60 in 3 seconds flat and beat a Ferrari, but in the end you still have a Honda.  To me, that is what this card is, a "Si" or "special edition" Honda type of a card.  It's not a Ferrari, but its pretty cool. And, for the people that live within their means and purchase products like this, I am sure they will enjoy them.

 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 07:37:31 (permalink)
Well from everything I've read and seen, the GF 104 runs cooler and draws less power than the GF 100. Granted, it's two 104's on one card, but I wouldn't think it would put out more heat than two 460's in SLI... I really hope that someone that buys this card has two 460's to do a comparative benchmark comparison. I'm really interested in seeing how it does.
Maybe I don't full understand SLI, but why wouldnt games utilize all 2GB of memory (even if its on two seperate GPUS)?
 
 
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IMO, yea for some games it is good for but games with cutting edge engines like Cry2, Cry3, Frostbite 2, ID Tech 4 (even old dx9 games like gta4 uses more than a gig) and so on I would say no. Also what do you call a big jump, this is purely hypothetical but Im willing to guess that a 470 @ 1.087 with 800mhz or more will beat 2 gtx 460's in a synthetic benchmark. I think heat will be the big issue with this card when it comes to overvolting and clocking.


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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 09:31:09 (permalink)
I have no problem with the idea of this card, but like you said "It's not supposed to be the next wonder card", so why charge wonder prices? 
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I think this card will be great for those people that fit its target market.  It would have been perfect for me, but the price was a little too high for me to justify.
There is something out there for everyone.  Obviously this card does in fact meet peoples needs, but I think it's important to take it for what it is.  It's a duel 460 card.  It's not supposed to be the next wonder card that will make your rig the envy of every gamer and bencher out there.  It's supposed to be a more powerful single slot solution that offers SLI performance to those that seek it on specific systems that warrent specific solutions.
EVGA putting their marketing together and showing its performance on a couple benchmarks compared to the 580 is smart marketing, but I think it makes people get the wrong idea about its purpose.
Sure, you can make a Honda Civic get from 0 to 60 in 3 seconds flat and beat a Ferrari, but in the end you still have a Honda.  To me, that is what this card is, a "Si" or "special edition" Honda type of a card.  It's not a Ferrari, but its pretty cool. And, for the people that live within their means and purchase products like this, I am sure they will enjoy them.



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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 09:37:02 (permalink)
Well the way I understand the design of the card heat from the front gpu has to travel past the back gpu to exit out the back of the case. so truly the back gpu on the card is getting super heated, unless it is pumping heat from the front gpu into your case. Granted Im sure it works just fine at stock but how much overclocking can be done without water blocks(if they even make them for this card).
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Well from everything I've read and seen, the GF 104 runs cooler and draws less power than the GF 100. Granted, it's two 104's on one card, but I wouldn't think it would put out more heat than two 460's in SLI... I really hope that someone that buys this card has two 460's to do a comparative benchmark comparison. I'm really interested in seeing how it does.
Maybe I don't full understand SLI, but why wouldnt games utilize all 2GB of memory (even if its on two seperate GPUS)?


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IMO, yea for some games it is good for but games with cutting edge engines like Cry2, Cry3, Frostbite 2, ID Tech 4 (even old dx9 games like gta4 uses more than a gig) and so on I would say no. Also what do you call a big jump, this is purely hypothetical but Im willing to guess that a 470 @ 1.087 with 800mhz or more will beat 2 gtx 460's in a synthetic benchmark. I think heat will be the big issue with this card when it comes to overvolting and clocking.




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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 09:51:56 (permalink)
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I have no problem with the idea of this card, but like you said "It's not supposed to be the next wonder card", so why charge wonder prices?

You got me there.  I am wondering the same thing.

 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 12:14:33 (permalink)
So I bought this card and had it overnighted and received it on Tuesday. Popped it in installed the drivers off he CD and after looking in the device manager it showed up as two GTX 460 cards. One showed up fine with the drivers installed and the second showed up but it had a yellow alert icon on it. Did the normal troubleshooting and figured it was the usuall SLI problem of my realtek nics causing the problem but it wasn't. After a full day of troubleshooting I found out I had failed to realize that my mobo did not support SLI and did support Crossfire only.
 
So before you buy this card even though it's a all in one card it's configured to show up just as any SLI configuration will.
 
1. You mobo must be able to support SLI or this card wont work.
2. Card shipped with Nvidia 266.85 drivers I believe.
3. Though card is big I had no problems fitting this into my case.
 
I did for the record pop this into my brothers machine which does support SLI and the card worked like a champ.
 
Anyways yes I know what I just said might be newb and obvious just letting people know what problem I ran into.
 
My new sandy bridge mobo,cpu and ram arrive today once I have everything up with this new GTX 460 2win I'll post benchmark results.
 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 12:28:45 (permalink)
If that really does end up being the case (did you contact EVGA support?) that is a HUGE blow to this card.  None of the current documentation mentions this at all (that I have found).  If you have to have a SLI board in the first place what is the point really? 

 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 12:38:17 (permalink)
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If that really does end up being the case (did you contact EVGA support?) that is a HUGE blow to this card.  None of the current documentation mentions this at all (that I have found).  If you have to have a SLI board in the first place what is the point really? 

 
I did infact contact EVGA support and after having told them the troubleshooting steps I did they at first thought the hardware might be at fault but after doing a clean install of the card TWICE they said maybe my bios wasn't up to snuff but I did direct the support tech to my mobo's page and everything he said the card required was infact there. PCI 2.0 ect ect we even went into the bios to make sure my volts to support the power this card needed was correct and everything was fine. The only thing that had not been done was trying it in another system but he was convinced it was my bios. Like I said though we both obviously missed the fact that my mobo was Crossfire only and not SLI supported.
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 12:43:01 (permalink)
Well, that just killed it for me. I was under the impression that this card would be the "saving grace" for us guys without an SLI capable mobo, but it appears that's not the case.
 
I call that a FAIL. I was pumped about this card. Now, to me, it's useless, it can't be quad SLI'ed, and it won't work on a mobo with only one PCI-E slot, yet it costs more than two 460's! Total freakin FAIL, and total BS.
 

 
 

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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 12:52:50 (permalink)
Humm... I wonder if it has to do with the 460's compatibility with some mobos.  See this thread at the nVidia forum : http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s=dcdc5f989064135459be93ab2c4a5ce5&showtopic=187401
Strange how one worked and the other didn't.

 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 12:58:25 (permalink)
Well, I'll lower the flag if Jacob comes in here and says that this card will run on a mobo with only one PCI-E slot, until then, the flag will stay raised, if this is NOT a one slot solution to "SLI" on a non-sli mobo, it's waste of money.
 
Not even heavy enough to make a decent boat anchor out of it.

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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 13:17:05 (permalink)
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Humm... I wonder if it has to do with the 460's compatibility with some mobos.  See this thread at the nVidia forum : http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s=dcdc5f989064135459be93ab2c4a5ce5&showtopic=187401
Strange how one worked and the other didn't.

 
This may be the issue with mine but honestly I have not the knowledge of doing any extensive testing any further but I do for the record have a Gigabyte mobo. I agree it seems pointless to have this card only work on boards that support SLI when the card itself cant be SLI'd... Sorry if I just made this whole conversation even more confused just wanted to share what I've been dealing with.
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 13:23:29 (permalink)
Well it is definatly worth mentioning on here because the gtx 460 compatability problem is an ongoing issue.  I personally am pretty nervous about it because I am doing a mobo switch tonight.  I really don't want to go through all the work and have it not work with my 460.
If I were you, I would have made a new thread.  Just saying.

 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 17:01:03 (permalink)
Yeah, thats another thing... if the 2Win locks my system up, then its guaranteed I will get a 570/580.
 
Oh, and another article I found interesting about how memory plays a difference and the scaling between the 768, 1024, and 2048 MB SLI'd GTX 460's: http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/GTX%20460%20ANALYSIS/P1.html
 
Most of the tests didnt really see a huge jump in FPS between the 1GB and 2GB SLI'd cards... so for most of todays games it seems that memory doesn't play a huge part (obviously it's important, but once you pass that 1GB mark, it doesn't seem to scale as well)
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/24 22:48:03 (permalink)
Thats kind of a strange article.  Those bench results look a little different from results that I have seen.  Plus, their Batman:AA results look really low.  I benched with my 1090t and single gtx 460 at 106 Avg FPS on Batman:AA theirs was SIGNIFICANTLY lower at SLI.  Kind of weird.
Well we will see.  I just got my new AMD SLI board installed about 45 Min ago (ASUS M4N98TD-EVO).  So far (knock on all kinds of wood) the 460 is working like a champ.  Basically just like it did before.  Now I have another 460 coming UPS tomorrow morning.  Then we will see if everyone gets along!

 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/25 14:41:25 (permalink)
Well, I think this card has already been forgotten, the 590 Classified is out, so, thar ya go.

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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/26 16:56:51 (permalink)
Will it ever be available in Europe? since the GTX 590 has been launched and available already. GTX 460 2win got skipped? and still no idea how much it will be if its ever available. I'm already passing the GTX 590 because I reckon its expensive here and if this is also ridiculously priced then its GTX 460 SSC+ for me. not the right thread but crysis 2 limited edition also not available still. not sure what's going on with Evga Europe and why behind so much. its been a month since I'm wanting to buy a card and as soon as I make up my mind something is launched by Evga so I wait patiently for it to come to Europe and its not even here and something else is launched lol. Evga Europe needs to up the game a bit I reckon. because emailed them and got no reply from them, here's to hoping that they do it on Monday. have a nice weekend everybody. cheers
 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/28 19:03:53 (permalink)
where is this product??? 

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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/28 21:53:17 (permalink)
Right here.

 
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/29 04:35:16 (permalink)
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where is this product??? 


You should have read my last post. http://forums.evga.com/fb.ashx?m=926631 Sadly enough, this is not the first time I've seen this type of situation happen.
 
 

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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/29 16:28:06 (permalink)
I'll test it tomorrow in a non SLI MB to see if it will run properly.


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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/29 16:56:30 (permalink)
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I'll test it tomorrow in a non SLI MB to see if it will run properly.


That would be appreciated, hopefully a single slot board. I have an MSI-G41M4-F mobo, single PCI-E X 16 slot. If this will not make full use of the two GPU's, what is the point?
 
As I said, this card has been forgotten, notice that Jacob has not been back in here since the 590 was released.
 
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/30 00:57:08 (permalink)
Another request to release this in Europe here. I was really looking forward to this card, but as it turns out there is no way for me to get my hands on it. Which is a shame, really.
 
Does anyone in the EVGA community have any tips on getting this card to me without having to order through an American friend? I like my friends and all, but to trust them with a 430 dollar videocard is a bit much.
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Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/30 03:01:07 (permalink)
Welcome to the forums!
 
If you don't want to trust your American friends, I'm a Canadian friend, I'll fix you up. Although, there are more than enough people in here, American/Canadian that would help you in any way possible, and 99.99% of them are trustworthy.
 
Your only issue would be if there was an RMA involved, you'd have to ship it back here to the original purchaser, have them RMA the card, then ship it back to you. This could take months.
 
I would suggest dropping an email to the addy which is closet to you, and see what they can do for you.
 

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    Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/30 07:37:01 (permalink)
    Okay, I've tested the card in my non SLI MB.  Here's what I got.
     
    My MB is the EVGA P55 LE.  This is a non SLI MB, it does take crossfire or one card and a Physx card, so there are two PCI-e slots.  When I install the 2Win, it takes longer than normal for the drivers to load and it does an odd thing in that it recognizes one 460 then the other, at which time it losses the first one.  This went on for a while and then I just rebooted at which time it was fine.  I went into the nVidia control panel and SLI'd the cards and was off, no issues.  I was able to play SLI games and fold without problems.  I have tried to SLI two GTX 275s on the MB and it did not work so the MB is not SLI, but with the 2Win installed I had SLI.
     
    Hope that this helps.


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    Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/30 07:53:58 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot for the information, dhemke. I've sent a quick email to EVGA inquiring about a possible release date here in the Netherlands.
     
    You're probably right about the RMA situation. I suppose EVGA can't start making exceptions for single customers, since then they had to start making exceptions for everyone. That, along with shipping costs and the very likely prospect of import taxes makes importing one a very unappealing prospect. Let's hope EVGA will release the card in Europe instead so that can all be avoided.
     
    Again, thank you for the speedy and informative reply.
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    Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/30 08:33:48 (permalink)
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    Okay, I've tested the card in my non SLI MB.  Here's what I got.

    My MB is the EVGA P55 LE.  This is a non SLI MB, it does take crossfire or one card and a Physx card, so there are two PCI-e slots.  When I install the 2Win, it takes longer than normal for the drivers to load and it does an odd thing in that it recognizes one 460 then the other, at which time it losses the first one.  This went on for a while and then I just rebooted at which time it was fine.  I went into the nVidia control panel and SLI'd the cards and was off, no issues.  I was able to play SLI games and fold without problems.  I have tried to SLI two GTX 275s on the MB and it did not work so the MB is not SLI, but with the 2Win installed I had SLI.

    Hope that this helps.


    That sounds very promising. I checked out your mobo, and it states that SLI is not available. Cool.
     
    Be nice if Jacob could jump back in here and verify that this will work on a "ONE SLOT, PCI-E X16" mobo, and that we would have an SLI solution to one slot boards.
     
    Thanks for testing that out DeepPurple, much appreciated. I must go light a fire now, and get some smoke on the water.
     
     

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    Re:Introducing the EVGA GTX 460 2Win! 2011/03/30 08:40:38 (permalink)
    Damon3zz

    Thanks a lot for the information, dhemke. I've sent a quick email to EVGA inquiring about a possible release date here in the Netherlands.

    You're probably right about the RMA situation. I suppose EVGA can't start making exceptions for single customers, since then they had to start making exceptions for everyone. That, along with shipping costs and the very likely prospect of import taxes makes importing one a very unappealing prospect. Let's hope EVGA will release the card in Europe instead so that can all be avoided.

    Again, thank you for the speedy and informative reply.


    No probs, I hope everything works out for you, give us an update when you have one.

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    I think it's aliens, but I'll have to confirm with voodoo do-er on that.

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