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Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:55 PM (permalink)
I have seen a few posts here and there where people try to push the bclk up past 210 or so and run into some problems. I wanted to post a guide consisting of a strategy that has worked well for me for finding the max stable bclk and then in turn using that to eventually reach the desired core and memory frequencies.
 
For reference, bclk is equivalent to base clock or CPU Host Frequency in BIOS and the default is 133.
 
To start with, I lower the CPU core multiplier to 17x in BIOS. I choose 17x because the odd-value multipliers tend to let me lower the Vcore a bit compared to even-value multipliers (18x and 20x). The reason to lower the CPU multiplier is so that we are not overclocking the cores as much along with everything else at once. Chances are if the chip is set to 21x and you try to push a bclk of 210 or greater that there will be some kind of issue that will come up and at that point it will be difficult to determine where the problem is. Since some chips need considerable Vcore even at lower frequencies, I would suggest starting at an even lower multiplier such as 15x. If you know you have a chip that can handle low Vcore at higher frequencies, then 17x should be fine. To start with, here are the configuration settings I would suggest:
 
Frequency Settings
 
CPU Host Frequency: 160
CPU Multiplier: 15x
Uncore Multiplier: 16x (Minimum allowed)
Memory Multiplier: 2:6 (Equivalent to 6x and the minimum allowed)
QPI Frequency: 4.8 GT/s (Equivalent to 18x multiplier for the processor’s QPI link)
PCI-E Frequency: 101
 
Voltage Settings
 
Vdroop control: With Vdroop
Vcore: 1.3v
VTT: +100mv for Classified boards and +200mv for E758 boards
DRAM Voltage: 1.65v
 
CPU PLL: 1.65v
QPI PLL: 1.2v
IOH PLL: Auto (Default 1.8v) *
 
IOH Vcore: 1.1v
IOH/ICH Voltage: 1.5v
ICH Voltage: 1.125v (To help prevent USB related issues at higher bclk)
NF200 Voltage: Auto **
 
CPU Impedance: Less *
QPI Compensation: Middle or Less (My system fails to post with less, but feel free to try what works best) *
 
PWM Frequency ( 800 KHz ) (Keep at minimum due to higher Vreg temps otherwise with upgraded Vreg cooling, this can be increased)
VTT PWM Frequency ( 610 KHz ) *
CPU PWM Frequency ( 1200 KHz ) *
 
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** Classified E759/E762

 
The two items we have to concentrate on when increasing the bclk at this stage is the Uncore frequency and QPI Link Frequency. Using the above configuration, we use the minimum 6x memory multiplier to start with so that we do not find ourselves limited by memory frequency and we use the lower CPU multiplier so we are not limited by core frequency. We set QPI Frequency to 4.8 GT/s even on 965/975 processors. This is because 4.8 GT/s is equivalent to 18x QPI Link multiplier, and we want to keep this frequency as low as possible to prevent freezing issues as we increase bclk. This frequency and the GT/s increases with bclk.
 
The VTT voltage is important at this stage, because VTT is the voltage for the processor’s Uncore, which includes the L3 Shared Cache, Integrated Memory Controller (IMC), and QPI. The base VTT voltage is 1.1v for the E758 and 1.2v for the Classified boards. It is for this reason that I suggest above to set a smaller increase over base with the Classified boards because it has the higher default VTT. I do not know the base voltage for the Micro/LE boards, but the intended target voltage to start with is 1.3v.
 
Stage 1 (Base clock):
 
Now we can start working on the bclk. I would suggest first starting at a bclk of 160, which is generally not an issue for the i7 processors. My advice is to use the E-Leet utility once everything is set in BIOS as shown above. For stress testing, we will want to use LinX 0.6.2 because of how quickly it can stress the system. For a 6GB system, I normally allocate 3GB of memory to LinX and run 10-passes while working on bclk. Make sure you have Real Temp running so you can keep the temps in check. Core temps should stay below 85C.
 
We start at bclk 160 and run LinX. If all is well, I would suggest the following increment scheme:
 
160-180: 10 notches up for each test
180-200: 5 notches up for each test
200-210: 3 notches up for each test
210-215: 2 notches up for each test
215+: 1 notch up for each test
 
The higher we move up in bclk, the more difficult it will be to maintain stability, which is why I suggest smaller increments for higher bclk.
 
As you increase bclk, there will likely come a point where you get a BSOD, either code 0x124 or 0x9c depending on OS. When you get this code, it is time to bump up the VTT. I would suggest an increase of one notch at a time, or +25mv until stable. With a good chip that has a strong IMC, you will likely be able to get to bclk 210 without too much trauma. At some point, you may reach a wall where after running LinX for a bit, the system will freeze and you may even have to power down the system manually in order to get things back up and running again. At this point, you know you are getting close to the limit for the bclk while still being stable enough to run LinX. If this happens, my suggestion is to try to increase the IOH voltage a bit. An increase of 1.1 to 1.2v allowed me to gain an extra 2-bclk over what was previously stable.
 
In addition, some people have had success by increasing the PCI-E frequency. The max I would suggest for this is 104-105. Any higher and you may run into issues with your onboard network ports or other devices. My network ports failed at PCI-E 110. You may also try increasing the QPI PLL a bit further to say 1.3v. With my tests, anything above 1.2v was not effective, but your results may vary.
 
In my experiments, the IOH/ICH I/O and ICH Vcore voltage made no difference as far as maxing out bclk goes. However, I have noticed in the past that some various USB related issues would creep up at the higher bclk and a small increase in the ICH voltage would take care of this.
 
As an example, for my 920 chip, I found a bclk limit of 219. Any higher and the system would freeze while running LinX after a bit regardless of where I set the IOH Vcore / PCI-E frequency. I could get it up to 224 on air, but it was not stable and my goal was stability. This was done via the E758.
 
Stage 2 (Memory):
 
Now that we have found maximum bclk, we can work on the memory next. Lets assume that we reached a bclk of 215 as our max. We can look at several calculations to see where things end up at with the different memory ratio choices:
 
Bclk: 215
Memory Frequency Ratio: 2:6
Uncore Multiplier: 16x
 
Memory Frequency: 215x6= 1290 MHz
Uncore Frequency: 215x16= 3440 MHz
 
Bclk: 215
Memory Frequency Ratio: 2:8
Uncore Multiplier: 16x
 
Memory Frequency: 215x8= 1720 MHz
Uncore Frequency: 215x16= 3440 MHz
 
Bclk: 215
Memory Frequency Ratio: 2:10
Uncore Multiplier: 20x
 
Memory Frequency: 215x10= 2150 MHz
Uncore Frequency: 215x20= 4300 MHz
 
For most of us, we will want to stick with 2:8 maximum, because otherwise we are pushing the memory and Uncore quite far. Now lets say we choose 2:8 but have a 1600 MHz memory kit. With the above configuration, we are overclocking our memory. At this point, we have two choices, to stay at 2:6 for the memory frequency, or we can try and loosen the timings some. For example, for an 8-8-8-24 kit, try 9-9-9-24. If you decided to overclock the memory, I would highly suggest running Memtest86+ to confirm memory stability before booting the OS.
 
Stage 3 (CPU Cores):
 
Now with the bclk, memory, Uncore, and QPI Link out of the way, that leaves over the CPU core frequency. At this point, you can decide where you would like to have your core frequency at by using the appropriate multiplier. Assuming again, that our max was bclk 215, here is what we would get using a 19x multiplier.
 
215x19= 4085 MHz
 
At this point, the primary thing you have to concentrate on is Vcore. You will likely have to increase that some to reach stability since the core frequency is now much greater than it was before. If you have previously overclocked the same chip, then you will have some frame of reference as to where the Vcore needs to be at for a specific core frequency.
 
As always, make sure to keep your core and Vreg temps in check. When you reach your goals, you will want to run the appropriate long-term stress testing using Prime95 Blend / LinX like you normally would to determine if the system is completely stable.
 
Conclusion:
 
This guide is primarily for those that want to find out the limits of their chips and like to push things to the limit. This guide can also be used if you want to break things down into several pieces so that you are not overclocking all the different components at once or if you simply want to see how much VTT it is going to take to run at your desired bclk so that you can use that VTT as a point of reference later on.
 
Notes:
 
I have run into one case where a new BIOS version limited my bclk. Reverting back to an older version fixed that. If you run into a wall sooner than anticipated then this might be something to keep in mind.
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    Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:15 AM (permalink)
    Yet another guide that I have been dying to get.  Thank you so much!  Everything is so very well explained and I'm going to rely on this guide and your RAM guide for pretty much everything I do from here on out in BIOS!
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      Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:05 PM (permalink)
      thanks for this guide i was just taking shots in the dark, time to see what my hardware is made of!
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        Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:07 PM (permalink)
        SHot man <3 U :)
         
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          Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:38 PM (permalink)
          Very helpful and informative!  Thanks Linux!! 
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            Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:15 PM (permalink)
            I wish there were a button to request stickies on posts. 
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              Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:22 PM (permalink)
              Thanks for the feedback everyone.  :)
               
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                Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:25 PM (permalink)
                I like this guide best actually, nice and easy read

                 
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                  Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Friday, November 27, 2009 5:16 PM (permalink)
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                    Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:14 AM (permalink)
                    i am still on step #1 trying to find the max bclock. however, instead of BSODs I am getting linx errors. should i still be trying to raise the VTT? thanks!
                     
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                      Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:55 AM (permalink)
                      I got a 227 max base clock on my 920 D0 x58 LE because of this guide.  This allowed me to drop the multi to 19.  This dropped my load temps by about ~7*C at 4.3 GHz.  No core hits higher than 87 during a 25000 Lynx run.
                       
                      Many thank Linuxrouter, I appreciate it.
                       
                      This guide should be stickied IMO.


                       
                       


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                        Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:39 PM (permalink)
                        hofan41


                        i am still on step #1 trying to find the max bclock. however, instead of BSODs I am getting linx errors. should i still be trying to raise the VTT? thanks!

                        We must assume that you did this:

                        CPU Host Frequency: 160
                        CPU Multiplier: 15x
                        Uncore Multiplier: 16x (Minimum allowed)
                        Memory Multiplier: 2:6 (Equivalent to 6x and the minimum allowed)
                        QPI Frequency: 4.8 GT/s (Equivalent to 18x multiplier for the processor’s QPI link)
                        PCI-E Frequency: 101

                         
                        If you didn't drop the memory and QPI to the lowest possible settings, increasing the base clock will overclock the memory and QPI and may be what is leading to your instability and not the base clock increase directly.
                         
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                          Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:01 PM (permalink)
                          yes i have all settings set to what the original post had. i am at 215 bclk and linx errors instead of BSOD.
                           
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                            Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:06 PM (permalink)
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                            yes i have all settings set to what the original post had. i am at 215 bclk and linx errors instead of BSOD.



                            Try adding a bit more voltage to the QPI PLL and see if that cures your LinX errors.
                             
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                              Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:07 PM (permalink)
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                              I got a 227 max base clock on my 920 D0 x58 LE because of this guide.  This allowed me to drop the multi to 19.  This dropped my load temps by about ~7*C at 4.3 GHz.  No core hits higher than 87 during a 25000 Lynx run.
                               
                              Many thank Linuxrouter, I appreciate it.
                               
                              This guide should be stickied IMO.



                              Very impressive. Passing LinX at bclk 227 is quite an achievement. Nice work.
                               
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                                Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:09 PM (permalink)
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                                hofan41


                                yes i have all settings set to what the original post had. i am at 215 bclk and linx errors instead of BSOD.



                                Try adding a bit more voltage to the QPI PLL and see if that cures your LinX errors.

                                that did the trick! should be joining the 4ghz club shortly. thank you!
                                 
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                                  Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:16 PM (permalink)

                                  IOH/ICH Voltage: 1.5v
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                                  hofan41


                                  yes i have all settings set to what the original post had. i am at 215 bclk and linx errors instead of BSOD.



                                  Try adding a bit more voltage to the QPI PLL and see if that cures your LinX errors.

                                  that did the trick! should be joining the 4ghz club shortly. thank you!



                                  Im also getting Linx errors and have upped the QPI upto 1.425v now but its not fixing it, my bclk is stable at 215 using all the settings suggested above, should i also up the vcore too, and im not getting a bsod.
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                                    Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:51 PM (permalink)
                                    yeah i think your QPI is way too high. try upping vcore instead, it fixed some of the errors i was having later on.
                                     
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                                      Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:28 PM (permalink)
                                      I agree. I would try setting the QPI PLL voltage somewhere between 1.25 and 1.35v
                                       
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                                        Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Monday, November 30, 2009 10:57 AM (permalink)
                                        just incase this may help others, i thought i would mention something that i have found,  i upped my qpi straight to 220 and tested and it worked on the settings linuxrouter suggested, is this normal because i remember on some older chips there used to be FSB holes?

                                        I've just passed QPI 225 @ the voltages in linuxrouters guide :) wonder how far it will go :D


                                        Just to clarify i did work my way up but linX failed at 215 thats when i did the "jump"
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                                          Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Monday, November 30, 2009 11:23 AM (permalink)
                                          seems i spoke to quick, anything above 225 ie 226 and when i apply the 226 in E-leet the system freezes and i have to hold the power button to reboot, any ideas on how to push this further, i tried the ioh to 1.2v that didnt work,  upped the vcore by 1 notch, then tried QPI to 1.25 but none proved sucessful :(
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                                            Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Monday, November 30, 2009 11:26 AM (permalink)
                                            doh missed pcie speed upped it to 104 and now doesnt freeze :D 
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                                              Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Monday, November 30, 2009 12:12 PM (permalink)
                                              Sorry if this thread is turning into all my questions but im at 232 in the bios now and all the voltages are the same except IOH which i upped to 1.15v as my g19 was flicking on and off and the mouse was juttery.  Anyways that sorted that but one thing i noticed after a freeze and reboot was that the bit where it asks if you want to strt in safe mode or normal i select normal and the screen seems really slow to refresh, usually it flicks off and starts going into windows where as at the moment its like a blind is coming down and takes around 1-2 seconds to come completely down if you get my drift. im guessing i need some more voltage some where..but where?
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                                                Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Monday, November 30, 2009 1:44 PM (permalink)
                                                well your going to be a little slow when you frezze are crash. try shuting down normaly and then starting back up, there should be no difference once you let windows recover fromt the crash/frezze
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                                                  Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Monday, November 30, 2009 4:45 PM (permalink)
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                                                  Sorry if this thread is turning into all my questions but im at 232 in the bios now and all the voltages are the same except IOH which i upped to 1.15v as my g19 was flicking on and off and the mouse was juttery.  Anyways that sorted that but one thing i noticed after a freeze and reboot was that the bit where it asks if you want to strt in safe mode or normal i select normal and the screen seems really slow to refresh, usually it flicks off and starts going into windows where as at the moment its like a blind is coming down and takes around 1-2 seconds to come completely down if you get my drift. im guessing i need some more voltage some where..but where?



                                                  You can try giving some more voltage to the IOH. Try 1.2 - 1.25v.
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Monday, November 30, 2009 5:43 PM (permalink)
                                                    Great guide!

                                                     


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                                                      Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:32 AM (permalink)
                                                      am i right in thinking if i get the BCLK clock stable using the above guide i in theory should be able to get the multi to 20+1 with turbo on my 920?
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                                                        Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:54 PM (permalink)
                                                        Once bclk and memory are stable, you can work on the CPU multiplier. You will need to adjust the Vcore as you work up the multiplier.
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:13 PM (permalink)
                                                          ok im stable with a vcore of 1.3v and vtt at +100ma but starts getting getting wobbly and bsud with clock interupt when i get to a multi of 18, how much can i up the vcore too, my temps are still sub 60's.
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                                                            Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:18 PM (permalink)
                                                            Is 1.3v the load voltage or what you set in BIOS? I would keep the temps below 85C. If the temps are okay, you should be okay up to around 1.45v.
                                                             
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