no matter which one i've used, the GTX 470, the GTX sc and the GTX 470 sc+, hawx, oblivion, every game has a micro stutter in it, i'll be playing nice and smooth, doing my business, playing on the highest quality setting imaginable, and then boom, huge stutter for like 2-3 seconds, but with no frame drops, it's SO ANNOYING!
 
does anyone know a fix for this, should I call tech support and find out whats going on?
 
btw this has happened on both 257.21 and 258.96, although 258.96 did seem to make things only slightly more tollerable, it's still wickedly horrible.

Strange sure nothing in the background causing this?

Since Forceware 258.xx micro-stutter has been fixed for me. Did you install them correctly? (Driver Sweeper)

what are you stuttering on? what game?

Are you running EVGA precision or a hardware monitor? If so, try increasing the polling rate to something like 1000ms or greater)

Additionally, are you running any Antivirus software? This might cause it.

Have you always used  a soundcard, such as X-fi ??  If so, remove it physically & clean out the Creative drivers.... then re-try your game(s) & see if that fixes it.

yellow__fever


Since Forceware 258.xx micro-stutter has been fixed for me. Did you install them correctly? (Driver Sweeper)

Driver Sweeper doesn't even look to the right folders anymore for nvidia drivers.  Since the 258 came out Driver Sweeper is useless.  Just install drivers over the top as per Nvidia's recommendation.

Rageypoo


no matter which one i've used, the GTX 470, the GTX sc and the GTX 470 sc+, hawx, oblivion, every game has a micro stutter in it, i'll be playing nice and smooth, doing my business, playing on the highest quality setting imaginable, and then boom, huge stutter for like 2-3 seconds, but with no frame drops, it's SO ANNOYING!
 
does anyone know a fix for this, should I call tech support and find out whats going on?
 
btw this has happened on both 257.21 and 258.96, although 258.96 did seem to make things only slightly more tollerable, it's still wickedly horrible.

Seems to be a common problem with the 470 and 480s.  Nvidia cannot identify it as we've been working with NV techs on their forums regarding this in BF BC2.  They are now looking for people with the stutter in Santa Clara to bring their machines in for testing.  I have a feeling this is gonna take awhile to fix.

hard to fix something happening to so few people.

i'm not saying it's nothing -- i just don't think it has much to do with the cards themselves as what's going on in the OS or system that is preventing unhindered data flow.

mwparrish


hard to fix something happening to so few people.

i'm not saying it's nothing -- i just don't think it has much to do with the cards themselves as what's going on in the OS or system that is preventing unhindered data flow.

I wish I could agree, but this has been troubleshot up and down on multiple OSes over multiple reinstalls.  With completely different hardware.  One guy was able to load Win7x64, Win Xp SP3 x86 and Win XP x64 and still gets the stutter.  I've reinstalled half a dozen times with my own.  No applications loading at all, brand new clean install.  Just drivers and BF BC2 and it's there.  Another guy with completely different specs, our rigs have nothing in common, not a single piece of hardware and he's been through the same things with multiple installs running no apps in the background.  Yet another person has tried 3 different GTX 480s in his machine since launch and they have all had the same problem.


We've put alot of time into troubleshooting this, Nvidia has been working with us.  But they are at the point where they want someone to bring their machine to them to try and solve this.  None of us are even close to California.


I can stick in my HD5870 and its stutter free.

DNOTTIS

mwparrish


hard to fix something happening to so few people.

i'm not saying it's nothing -- i just don't think it has much to do with the cards themselves as what's going on in the OS or system that is preventing unhindered data flow.

I wish I could agree, but this has been troubleshot up and down on multiple OSes over multiple reinstalls.  With completely different hardware.  One guy was able to load Win7x64, Win Xp SP3 x86 and Win XP x64 and still gets the stutter.  I've reinstalled half a dozen times with my own.  No applications loading at all, brand new clean install.  Just drivers and BF BC2 and it's there.  Another guy with completely different specs, our rigs have nothing in common, not a single piece of hardware and he's been through the same things with multiple installs running no apps in the background.  Yet another person has tried 3 different GTX 480s in his machine since launch and they have all had the same problem.


We've put alot of time into troubleshooting this, Nvidia has been working with us.  But they are at the point where they want someone to bring their machine to them to try and solve this.  None of us are even close to California.


I can stick in my HD5870 and its stutter free.

different machines, different OSs, different cards... nothing consistent to pinpoint the issue except the drivers (to some degree) and the games.


i've used 6 GTX 480s and never had the issue on Win7, any version of the drivers since 197.xx, and my system has otherwise remained unchanged.


so i think the odds it's the cards themselves is very slim.

mwparrish


hard to fix something happening to so few people.

i'm not saying it's nothing -- i just don't think it has much to do with the cards themselves as what's going on in the OS or system that is preventing unhindered data flow.

Yes I also believe this is something to do with the particular setup whether it be a certain hardware configuration or some extra software or service running in the background. I would say the soundcard is a good place to start with the hardware.

oh wait, I'll be right next to santa clara in the fall, I can bring in my machine to Nvidia no problem.

I haven't always used the X-FI card, I'd hate to uninstall everything, it took forever to download all the pre-bundled software and configure it so it didn't make that stupid poping noise (I just moved it away from my graphics card, fixed)

the games it does it on ALL the time are HAWX, and OBLIVION, as well as UT2004, Prototype, Heroes of Newerth, and SC2 beta.

personally, I think it is a driver issue sure, but it could also be a problem with the card itself, they probably rushed the design and something is messing up, and if that's true, I hope they recall the cards after the refresh.

If it was rushed design more people would have the issue.  Or in other words it something in your set up as other have pointed out.  Hell it could even be unstable RAM.  Have you checked to make sure your RAM timings are 100% stable?  Also creative sound cards are terrible for conflicting with Nvidias graphics drivers for some reason.  I would highly suggest removing the card and testing with it out.  I suspect we might find the culprit.

Has anyone tried messing around with the settings in the nVIDIA control panel:?

Manage 3D settings/Program Settings tab

rjohnson11


Has anyone tried messing around with the settings in the nVIDIA control panel:?

Manage 3D settings/Program Settings tab

Like he said, you can try messing around with NCP. I would definitely try 3 different things. Lower the maximum pre-rendered frames and see if that fixes it, turn on triple buffering, and turn on vsync. If none of those fixes it, then I'm sorry but I don't really know what else to do. 


DNOTTIS, I don't have the same problems as you, and to say that all the 4xx series cards have microstutter is...well I only have stuttering on BFBC2 and it's been verified that the drivers are to blame and nVidia is working on it. All other games run silky smooth for me. Now I may have misunderstood you, but the way you replied and quoted the OP, it seemed you were putting the cards at fault for every game that has stuttering while that is not true. As far as I can see, reading through forums and tests across the board, only BFBC2 and a few isolated incidents have reported and verified stuttering. AND my driver sweeper still works. Maybe I'm just crazy, but it still finds all the usual files and deletes them like it's always done. 


Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to flame or insult you or anything, I'm just providing my side of the facts, which don't seem to line up with yours. Or, like I said, I may have misunderstood you and you were only specifically talking about BFBC2, but most other games do not suffer from stuttering with the 4xx series. I don't know why nVidia effed up the biggest game right now in their drivers...

Have you tried messing with v-sync?

I get really bad microstutter in source games (TF2, HL2, Portal, etc...) but the effect is minimized when I turn on V-sync. And yes, I've tried a full reinstall and everything, but to no avail. The weird thing is, with v-sync off, it's nearly unplayable, but with v-sync on it runs rather smooth, but I'll get just a small blip of microstutter every minute or so. I get a constant 60 fps, but during that "blip" my fps jumps up to 130 or so, even with v-sync on, and that's when the stuttering becomes bad...

Nahte27


Have you tried messing with v-sync?

I get really bad microstutter in source games (TF2, HL2, Portal, etc...) but the effect is minimized when I turn on V-sync. And yes, I've tried a full reinstall and everything, but to no avail. The weird thing is, with v-sync off, it's nearly unplayable, but with v-sync on it runs rather smooth, but I'll get just a small blip of microstutter every minute or so. I get a constant 60 fps, but during that "blip" my fps jumps up to 130 or so, even with v-sync on, and that's when the stuttering becomes bad...

This is what we are talking about right here.  With vsync on it's minimized.  I don't think it's a hardware issue.  I believe it's a driver issue - and I dont think everyone has it, so it may be system specific.  The bottom line is that we've tried every setting, every options, troubleshooting with Nvidia has pretty much been exhausted which is why they want someone to bring them a system with it.  I can put the HD5870 and its perfect.  I've tried onboard nic and sound, and PCI nic and sound cards.  Raid 0 arrays and single HD OS installs.  The list is exhaustive really, we've left no stone unturned. Played with every Nvidia CP option there is including uninstalling PhysX and 3d surround drivers.


But like the poster above some games with vsync off are almost so bad they are unplayable.  BF BC2 is really my problem since its all I'm playing right now.  But others have noted the same behavior in other games as have I.


I'm not taking any of the comments as flames or insults.  But if we can get more people that do have the issue to come forward and help I'm sure that will benefit everyone.  I'm to the point where I'm about ready to just sell the 480 and go back to the 5870.  I don't want to play with settings every time I sit down to game.   This is a new architecture for Nvidia and I'm sure there are still driver bugs and issues to work out.   I'm just not a patient person and for me to continue waiting is killing me.  I'd rather jump back to ATi for now and maybe move back to Nvidia when it's fixed.

I had a thought, Have you tried OC'ing your cards any yet?   I noticed when I upped the core to 700mhz that BFBC2 ran alot smoother, rarely any stutter.  I never had stuttering bad but every once in a while I see it like that but with high fps showing.   I know 480s start at 700 but maybe up it a bit and see if its still present.

Rageypoo


no matter which one i've used, the GTX 470, the GTX sc and the GTX 470 sc+

Why do you have 3 different cards listed here?Are you using 3 different cards?

DNOTTIS


This is what we are talking about right here.  With vsync on it's minimized.  I don't think it's a hardware issue.  I believe it's a driver issue - and I dont think everyone has it, so it may be system specific.  The bottom line is that we've tried every setting, every options, troubleshooting with Nvidia has pretty much been exhausted which is why they want someone to bring them a system with it.  I can put the HD5870 and its perfect.  I've tried onboard nic and sound, and PCI nic and sound cards.  Raid 0 arrays and single HD OS installs.  The list is exhaustive really, we've left no stone unturned. Played with every Nvidia CP option there is including uninstalling PhysX and 3d surround drivers.


But like the poster above some games with vsync off are almost so bad they are unplayable.  BF BC2 is really my problem since its all I'm playing right now.  But others have noted the same behavior in other games as have I.


I'm not taking any of the comments as flames or insults.  But if we can get more people that do have the issue to come forward and help I'm sure that will benefit everyone.  I'm to the point where I'm about ready to just sell the 480 and go back to the 5870.  I don't want to play with settings every time I sit down to game.   This is a new architecture for Nvidia and I'm sure there are still driver bugs and issues to work out.   I'm just not a patient person and for me to continue waiting is killing me.  I'd rather jump back to ATi for now and maybe move back to Nvidia when it's fixed.

That's odd because BFBC2 runs just fine for me. It's just source games that have microstuttering. Heck, even Portal doesn't run too smooth sometimes, and a 470 should kill that game...

I kinda thought it had to do with the fact that the source engine was somewhat older and perhaps didn't have the ability to take advantage of the Fermi architecture, although I'm not so sure...

Oh, and I almost forgot, all source games have microstuttering EXCEPT Left 4 Dead 2, which is a newer source game. This could mean that Source has been updated to take advantage of newer architectures, or it could just be coincidence.

Oh, and yes I am running overclocked, and overclocking does seem to smooth it out a bit. I'm running at 770/1540/1775 at the moment.

OK first list your hardware specs
CPU:
OC Settings:
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MOBO:
Ram:
OC Settings:
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Graphics Card/s:
OC Settings:
Order of Different Cards in PCIE Slots:
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Hard Drives:
Sound Card:
PSU:

I had the stuttering with sli but my driver method did find the new whql drivers and removed them via my method BTW the app searches for things...

But you have two choices once you give us this info time to trouble shoot or wait for nvidia to figure out what it is.

As hog pointed out you are listing all kinds of stuff you need to fill out the list above that I provided to help us pinpoint what is going on and on where to start. Like Hog said you listed 3 different gpus so I am not going by your sig or mod rigs.

Guys, same problem for me.


Only on Crysis & Metro2033, got some stuttering on random spots, its not ram/hd based, and not the autosave function (we all know this save stutters.) The game runs smooth and great, but then for 1-2secs this stutter, after that it runs great again.


-> Fresh installed windows 7, defraged the hds, killed all useless windows services, tested without oc for cpu&gpu.


Sorry for my bad english.

specs:

GTX470@800/1600/1800
i7@4.2Ghz HT OFF
rampage II extreme
6gb corsair dominator cl8@1600Mhz
creative fatal1ty soundcard
2x samsung f3 500gb, one for games only.

OK first list your hardware specs
CPU: I7 860 (tested stock, usually run 4.2Ghz HT off)
OC Settings: 4.0 w/HT 1.32v or 4.2Ghz w/o HT 1.387v (200x20 or 200x21)
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MOBO: EVGA P55 LE A51 Bios
Ram: GSkill 1600mhz 7-7-7-24 running stock speed
OC Settings:
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Graphics Card/s: Gigabyte GTX 480
OC Settings: tested stock, runs 800 core, 2000mhz ram when OC'd 
Order of Different Cards in PCIE Slots: SC in PCI-e 1x, GPU in PCI-e 16x
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Hard Drives: WD 640GB AAks (2 in Raid-0)
Sound Card: Creative X-Fi Ti (PCI-e).  Have also tested with onboard
PSU: Coolermaster UCP 1100 Watt
 
 
I can replace 480 GTX with HD5870 and stutter free.

donta1979


OK first list your hardware specs
CPU: 980x stock
OC Settings: none
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MOBO: X58  mobo
Ram: corsair dominator GT 1600mhz 7-7-7-20
OC Settings: none    
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Graphics Card/s: gtx 470 sc+
OC Settings: none        
Order of Different Cards in PCIE Slots: none
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Hard Drives: Agility 2 (os) x2 agility 60gb in raid 0 and a raptor X    
Sound Card: Creative labs X-fi platinum champion
PSU: 750hx corsair

I had the stuttering with sli but my driver method did find the new whql drivers and removed them via my method BTW the app searches for things...

But you have two choices once you give us this info time to trouble shoot or wait for nvidia to figure out what it is.

As hog pointed out you are listing all kinds of stuff you need to fill out the list above that I provided to help us pinpoint what is going on and on where to start. Like Hog said you listed 3 different gpus so I am not going by your sig or mod rigs.

all of my computer components are listed in my sig....but I listed what they are in the quote reply.
 
i've tried changing the pre rendered frames from suggested 3 to 6, even 8, as well as 2, and 1, no change. I've turned on triple buffer which seemed to help but only a little, however noticable, and Vsync is always on, if it's off, I get major tears in every game.
 
ALSO, this happens in both directx 9c games, as well as directx 10. I don't have any directx 11 to test.
 
I love all of your suggestions, but I'd also like to point out, if I take out my gtx 470 and put in my 8800 gts, the stutter goes completely away, with the same drivers installed.
 
ALSO to add, I've tried all 3 only at one time, not all 3 together, so just one single GPU, the GTX 470, then tried the GTX 470 sc, and now I've tried a gtx 470 sc+.
 
keep the suggestions comming, I really appreciate it
 
 

Why do you have 3 different clocked cards?Dont they all run at the slowest cards speed?

^

"ALSO to add, I've tried all 3 only at one time, not all 3 together, so just one single GPU, the GTX 470, then tried the GTX 470 sc, and now I've tried a gtx 470 sc+."

wait we have three people in this thread trying to figure out whats up.... kind of hard... one that has 3 different gpus.
Sigh
Did all of you remove the nvidia stereoscopic 3d driver yet in add/remove programs/programs and features? Those not running 3d vision.
 
We also have too many people trying to get help in the ops post.

Diplo


Guys, same problem for me.


Only on Crysis & Metro2033, got some stuttering on random spots, its not ram/hd based, and not the autosave function (we all know this save stutters.) The game runs smooth and great, but then for 1-2secs this stutter, after that it runs great again.


-> Fresh installed windows 7, defraged the hds, killed all useless windows services, tested without oc for cpu&gpu.


Sorry for my bad english.

specs:

GTX470@800/1600/1800
i7@4.2Ghz HT OFF
rampage II extreme
6gb corsair dominator cl8@1600Mhz
creative fatal1ty soundcard
2x samsung f3 500gb, one for games only.

if your running an x58 board part of your issue is HT off your limiting your self the 400 series are cpu hungery.

oh, btw, I"m also getting stuttering in windows media player.
 
I do have an x58 motherboard from EVGA, using a 980x...but also I have noticed, that this didn't happen when I was using an i7 920, but then again...I didn't have a gtx 470 either lol, but it still troubles me, my 8800 gts has NO issues whatsoever, is this truely A driver issue, even though the 8800 gts uses the SAME drivers? how is that possible?