GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's

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GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:30 PM (permalink)
I'm running two 260's in SLI (vanilla 260's - not the nicer core 216 versions) - they do work very well.
 
Would I see an improvement with a single 480 (or the superclocked version)?
 
Not looking for a gigantic improvment - just a decent and noticable improvement.
Is that realistic?
 
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    Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:42 PM (permalink)
    I have the same setup and am curious to the answer - I have seen others say that, yes you will see a notable improvement over the 260 sli setup. This is good news for me because as you can see I too run a 260 sli setup. I'd like to upgrade...

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      Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:52 PM (permalink)
      I went 480 SLI from 260 SLI.

      Even still -- I'd go 480 over 260 SLI.

      1x 480 vs 1x 295 vs 2x 260s (approximately)

      The bonus is you get all the new features plus just 1 card vs 2.

      I'd do it without thinking. Resell your old 260s and you'll be spending $200 or less out of pocket.
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        Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:56 PM (permalink)
        So did you see an improvement over your SLI 260's? Or roughly the same?
         
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          Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:59 PM (permalink)
          I had a 260 SLI setup prior to installing my 480 SC today.  I left one of the 260's in my system for physx.

          As of right now, I'm seeing a very nice improvement in image quality and FPS in the main game I play.  So I'm extremely happy with the purchase. 
                   
           
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            Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:20 PM (permalink)
            Awesome, thanks for the info.
             
            If they ever show up for purchase - I'll get one.
             
            I was looking at the superclocked one's last night - wish I had pulled the trigger.
             
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              Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:46 PM (permalink)
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              I went 480 SLI from 260 SLI.

              Even still -- I'd go 480 over 260 SLI.

              1x 480 vs 1x 295 vs 2x 260s (approximately)

              The bonus is you get all the new features plus just 1 card vs 2.

              I'd do it without thinking. Resell your old 260s and you'll be spending $200 or less out of pocket.

              I intend to move up from 3-Way GTX 260s to 3-Way GTX 470s myself.
               
              But it's not fair to lump a GTX 260 SLI rig against a GTX 295. Don't the 275s used in the 295 have 240 Cores compared to my 192 or the Core's 216?...

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                Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:54 PM (permalink)
                Just got my GTX 480 vanilla version.
                Ran a benchmark for RE5. Performance is about the same as my GTX 260 Core 216. This is weird.
                RE5 benchmarks around the internet show more than double the performance.

                Already deleted all old drivers and installed new driver from nvidia website.
                What is going on here???
                But Unigine Heaven benchmark 2.0 score is almost double.

                 

                 
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                  Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:56 PM (permalink)
                  what's your power supply? whats your cpu? list specs please!
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                    Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 PM (permalink)
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                    I had a 260 SLI setup prior to installing my 480 SC today.  I left one of the 260's in my system for physx.

                    As of right now, I'm seeing a very nice improvement in image quality and FPS in the main game I play.  So I'm extremely happy with the purchase. 



                    nice thanks, whats that main game ??

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                      Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:04 PM (permalink)
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                      what's your power supply? whats your cpu? list specs please!


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                      With GTX 260 Core 216 I can get around the same fps in RE5. This is weird.
                      But Heaven benchmark almost double. Why why why and why? So frustrating.

                       

                       
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                        Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:28 PM (permalink)
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                        mwparrish


                        I went 480 SLI from 260 SLI.

                        Even still -- I'd go 480 over 260 SLI.

                        1x 480 vs 1x 295 vs 2x 260s (approximately)

                        The bonus is you get all the new features plus just 1 card vs 2.

                        I'd do it without thinking. Resell your old 260s and you'll be spending $200 or less out of pocket.

                        I intend to move up from 3-Way GTX 260s to 3-Way GTX 470s myself.
                         
                        But it's not fair to lump a GTX 260 SLI rig against a GTX 295. Don't the 275s used in the 295 have 240 Cores compared to my 192 or the Core's 216?...


                        sure it is... from a performance standpoint they're roughly equal.
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                          Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:47 PM (permalink)
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                          hoserx


                          what's your power supply? whats your cpu? list specs please!


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                          With GTX 260 Core 216 I can get around the same fps in RE5. This is weird.
                          But Heaven benchmark almost double. Why why why and why? So frustrating.


                          Your dual-core CPU is bottlenecking your GTX 480.

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                            Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:57 PM (permalink)
                            mwparrish
                             sure it is... from a performance standpoint they're roughly equal.


                            1 GTX 480 = 480 Cores
                            1 GTX 295 = 480 Cores
                            GTX 260 in SLI = 384 Cores at a much slower clock.
                             
                            Seems to me the missing 96 cores would be about 20% of the engine - on top of the speed drop...

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                              Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:00 PM (permalink)
                              yes but the 260 gtx 216 sli can keep up with a single 480 and 295 on fps in all games, so, so much for extra cores
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                                Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:07 PM (permalink)
                                worrying about the number of cores is like saying an i7 isn't necessarily comparable to a p4 because it is unfair that the i7 get 4 cores...more cores is part of the improvement!


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                                  Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:13 PM (permalink)
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                                  Your dual-core CPU is bottlenecking your GTX 480.


                                  Bottlenecking to the point where it's performing at the same speed as GTX 260 Core 216?
                                  We're talking about the same performance here. Not even a bit faster.
                                  I've never seen so much bottleneck.

                                   

                                   
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                                    Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:17 PM (permalink)
                                    sorry to hear that yapchgi, what a waste of 500 dollars plus shipping, ouchhhhhhhhhh
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                                      Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:18 PM (permalink)
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                                      sorry to hear that yapchgi, what a waste of 500 dollars plus shipping, ouchhhhhhhhhh


                                      I got it from Fry's. So no shipping.
                                      And I can always return it or sell it for profit.
                                       
                                      Or upgrade my CPU and mobo and RAM.

                                       

                                       
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                                        Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:19 PM (permalink)
                                        yapchagi


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                                        Your dual-core CPU is bottlenecking your GTX 480.


                                        Bottlenecking to the point where it's performing at the same speed as GTX 260 Core 216?
                                        We're talking about the same performance here. Not even a bit faster.
                                        I've never seen so much bottleneck.


                                        I'm pretty sure your CPU is bottlenecking the GTX 260's in SLI as well. Read through some expert reviews and observe sometimes that two non-equal GPU's yield the same FPS. That's when you know the CPU is bottlenecking and whatever better GPU you install, you're not gonna get even a decimal point increase in FPS. It happens especially if you're using a low res monitor and/or the game itself is too much CPU intensive and/or the game has an internal cap on FPS... I'm ruling out the Vsync, if it's enabled, then that's the culprit. I don't have or play RE5, so I don't know how it behaves...



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                                          Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:20 PM (permalink)
                                          A simpler explanation is this -

                                          Imagine the lines being max performance and the tick in the middle being your current performance.  Now, it is possible even with your GTX 260's, you're not seeing the full performance due to the CPU bottleneck.  The GTX 480 would mimic this.

                                          An example of this is...

                                          GTX 260 in SLI (2)
                                          [---------------------------|----------]


                                          GTX 480
                                          [---------------------------|------------------------------------]
                                          (roughly the same FPS due to the bottleneck)

                                           

                                           
                                           
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                                            Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:23 PM (permalink)
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                                            sorry to hear that yapchgi, what a waste of 500 dollars plus shipping, ouchhhhhhhhhh


                                            I got it from Fry's. So no shipping.
                                            And I can always return it or sell it for profit.
                                             
                                            Or upgrade my CPU and mobo and RAM.


                                            I wouldn't wait a minute to move to an i7 system. I recently moved from what you see in my sig to a Xeon W3520 and the difference in games and benchmarks is HUGE! It cost me less than $250 after I sold the CPU, MOBO and 8GB RAM... Yeah, I know, I should update my sig, lol...
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                                              Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:45 PM (permalink)
                                              To all the comments above me...I'm comparing a single GTX 260 Core 216 vs a single GTX 480. And their performance are about equal in Resident Evil 5 benchmark, Far Cry 2 benchmark, and Just Cause 2 demo benchmark.

                                              This is not GTX 260 2-way SLI vs a single GTX 480.

                                              There's another person who has the same problem with RE5. And his CPU is i7 920.

                                               

                                               
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                                                Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:10 AM (permalink)
                                                Yeah, apologies, I got the OP's post and yours mixed up.

                                                 

                                                 
                                                 
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                                                  Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:32 AM (permalink)
                                                  From a renderability sense, focus on fill rates of the parallel processors, take the shader clock and multiply by the number of shaders.  Generally higher the better -- but, since program performance is more than just GPU, you may not see the effect of that fill-rate being scaled.  This is the mistake many make, expecting performance to be independent of a system's of components, program or prefered settings. 
                                                   
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                                                  Your dual-core CPU is bottlenecking your GTX 480.
                                                  Unless the game(s) being played are more than dual-threaded, it doesn't matter what GPU is being paired, getting more cores won't do anything for the game.  As long as the game isn't coded to use those extra cores, they aren't feeding the GPU any picture data.  Thus, there is no logic in saying a dual-core CPU will bottleneck a GTX480.  About the only thing we could say is if the CPU was at stock, then the user won't be able to enjoy higher frame rates and/or details as many who have their CPUs at higher speeds.
                                                   
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                                                  Let's say the OP was to get into modern/future games that eventually will be multi-threaded, is then a dual-core bottlenecking the GTX480?  That depends on settings choosen, if higher details are expected, then more cores will feed the GPU better.  That doesn't automatically mean lesser details don't need a GTX480.  This is a common mistake/myth higher-end folks make regarding anything less that they prefer, they can't think in shades of gray. 
                                                   
                                                  Ultimately, it is perogative, and I for one am not going to assume we all have the same tastes in visual appeal or games.  I don't know why people default to just their preferences when giving advice to others...
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                                                    Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:25 AM (permalink)
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                                                    yes but the 260 gtx 216 sli can keep up with a single 480 and 295 on fps in all games, so, so much for extra cores

                                                    Not in my world.
                                                    I'm sitting on three of them clocked up to 720/1512/1242 on Lynnfield.
                                                     
                                                    I've never seen that happen...
                                                     

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                                                      Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:31 AM (permalink)
                                                      two 260's in sli fall short in performance when compared to a GTX295.
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                                                        Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:27 AM (permalink)
                                                        jaafaman


                                                        mwparrish
                                                         sure it is... from a performance standpoint they're roughly equal.


                                                        1 GTX 480 = 480 Cores
                                                        1 GTX 295 = 480 Cores
                                                        GTX 260 in SLI = 384 Cores at a much slower clock.
                                                         
                                                        Seems to me the missing 96 cores would be about 20% of the engine - on top of the speed drop...



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                                                        two 260's in sli fall short in performance when compared to a GTX295. 
                                                         

                                                        yes it would seem that way -- but you'd also be wrong -- esp if you OC those 260s.

                                                        this is stock clocks:

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                                                          Re:GTX 480 vs. SLI 260's Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:04 PM (permalink)
                                                          mwparrish
                                                          yes it would seem that way -- but you'd also be wrong -- esp if you OC those 260s.

                                                          this is stock clocks:

                                                          http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality/compare,1830.html?prod%5B3584%5D=on&prod%5B3598%5D=on

                                                          Indeed, but I don't run LN2.
                                                           
                                                          And yes - you are absolutely correct in believing that conditions can be forced to your scenario by setting the GTX 260 SLI to LN2 levels and dropping the clocks on the GTX 480.
                                                           
                                                          But you haven't quite explained how the GTX 260 SLI will keep up with the GTX 480 when the GTX 480 starts clocking...

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