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Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:35 AM (permalink)
 
When watching a Video either on Youtube, or Hulu, I get the error:
 
                     "Out of memory at line 634"
 
Why do I get that error, and how do I get rid of it?
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    Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:19 AM (permalink)
    99% of the time when I've seen a message like that, it was due to disabling the Windows pagefile, or manually setting it to a specific size.
     
    I have no idea why so many guides recommend disabling it, but you really just can't...doesn't matter how much ram you have...Windows requires the pagefile to operate properly.
     
    Other things it could be:
    • Cache overflow of some kind with Adobe/Java/etc.  It's not exactly immediately intuitive how to reset the Adobe Flash cache, but this site brings up the control to allow it.  Clearing the Silverlight cache can be done from within the video window (right-click options), and Java from the control panel (settings -> delete files).
    • Something messed up in your temp files.  Bring up an elevated command prompt, type "CD %temp%" and make sure you are in your 'temp' folder!!!...and type "del /f/s/q *.*"...which will delete all files in every folder and sub-folder under that.  But, by gods, make SURE the directory listing is your 'temp' folder before doing so...
    • General Windows memory corruption.  Super rare, this one, in the Windows 7 era but...a bad driver can do it.  Try a reboot!

     
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      Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:01 AM (permalink)
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      99% of the time when I've seen a message like that, it was due to disabling the Windows pagefile, or manually setting it to a specific size.

      I have no idea why so many guides recommend disabling it, but you really just can't...doesn't matter how much ram you have...Windows requires the pagefile to operate properly.

      Other things it could be:
      • Cache overflow of some kind with Adobe/Java/etc.  It's not exactly immediately intuitive how to reset the Adobe Flash cache, but this site brings up the control to allow it.  Clearing the Silverlight cache can be done from within the video window (right-click options), and Java from the control panel (settings -> delete files).
      • Something messed up in your temp files.  Bring up an elevated command prompt, type "CD %temp%" and make sure you are in your 'temp' folder!!!...and type "del /f/s/q *.*"...which will delete all files in every folder and sub-folder under that.  But, by gods, make SURE the directory listing is your 'temp' folder before doing so...
      • General Windows memory corruption.  Super rare, this one, in the Windows 7 era but...a bad driver can do it.  Try a reboot!



      I did the delete temp files. Lets see if that helps. Also, should I have Hardware Accelleration on or off in videos?
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        Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:50 AM (permalink)
        This sounds like a case where someone might be trying to run YouTube or other demanding videos in 1080p , while their video card memory is inadequate.  Which is what will start a pagefile and system freeze/error recording.  Such is NOT the case with your 580 Classified , but I would recommend setting all of your pagefile settings to (0) , instead of just disabling it.  When you disable it , you are allowing Windows to operate or function automatically when any lack of adequate memory occurs , and this could be a problem considering your video card & it's driver settings.
         
        It usually takes about 1gb of video card memory to run ANY or ALL  YouTube videos etc. and considering that , you don't need to have any pagefile settings set that change your HD/SSD into temporary RAM.  You definately want to set your video card settings to Excellerated during videos , and look for any files that the HD may contain with reference to "Pagefiles" , and delete them.  Their history and existence can cause the problem when the pagefile settings are set to "disable".  (0) on all HD's has been working for my system for over a year now with no problems.
         
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          Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:43 PM (permalink)
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          This sounds like a case where someone might be trying to run YouTube or other demanding videos in 1080p , while their video card memory is inadequate.  Which is what will start a pagefile and system freeze/error recording.  Such is NOT the case with your 580 Classified , but I would recommend setting all of your pagefile settings to (0) , instead of just disabling it.  When you disable it , you are allowing Windows to operate or function automatically when any lack of adequate memory occurs , and this could be a problem considering your video card & it's driver settings.

          It usually takes about 1gb of video card memory to run ANY or ALL  YouTube videos etc. and considering that , you don't need to have any pagefile settings set that change your HD/SSD into temporary RAM.  You definately want to set your video card settings to Excellerated during videos , and look for any files that the HD may contain with reference to "Pagefiles" , and delete them.  Their history and existence can cause the problem when the pagefile settings are set to "disable".  (0) on all HD's has been working for my system for over a year now with no problems.


          Thanks! I'll try that too!
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            Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:54 PM (permalink)
             
            Another question. What is it when I watch a youtube video, alot of times it runs smooth for a few seconds, then I get those little circles in the middle, going in circles. I figure it's lag, but I have a good internet speed. I wonder if there are any other settings in Windows, or something to get the videos to run smoother.
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              Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:34 PM (permalink)
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              Another question. What is it when I watch a youtube video, alot of times it runs smooth for a few seconds, then I get those little circles in the middle, going in circles. I figure it's lag, but I have a good internet speed. I wonder if there are any other settings in Windows, or something to get the videos to run smoother.

               
              The circling is basically the streaming source. There is little you can do to prevent that depending on the video itself and the resolution. While I agree that you should be streaming better since you have a decent connection with little lag it matters very little if the server it is being streamed from routes through slow links towards your connection. Low ping values do not equate to data streaming speeds generally. I have a very decent connection here and there are quite a few times I need to pause the video to allow it enough time to cache the data here before viewing the movie/music/whatever.
               
              Additionally if you aren't running an SSD I would tend to err on the side of having a decent swap file rather than disabling it all the way. Even with 16gb there will be times in which your task manager will need to swap space out for instruction sets to be pushed towards the top. Disabling this will usually result in your heap being cluttered a bit more than what is entirely necessary. The original suggested size by Microsoft was 1.5x(memory)=swap file recommended size. You can view this by looking at the 'recommended' value in your advanced system properties for performance. I have statically set this in the past to that value for minimum and maximum with no ill effects other than the pre-allocation of the swap space maximum needed. For SSDs this is quite a bit more since the OS itself swaps rather quickly when needing the gain the data where it resides. Usually they recommend no more than a 2gb swap space for min/max for proper efficiency. If you are mixing SSDs and regular spindles I would err on the side of the recommended value put placing it on the spindle hard drive instead of the SSD to ensure less than 80% drive utilization.
               
              The above is just my opinion and experience with this over the course of quite a number of years. Others have differing opinions about it and have had success. Just sharing my experience with you there XrayMan so that you can get the information and views you need to make a proper decision for yourself.
               
                   
               
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                Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:46 PM (permalink)
                 
                   ^  Appreciate the info Scaryone! Thanks!     :)
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                  Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 3:16 PM (permalink)
                   
                  I thought I would try an easier way by using an online repair utility to fix it. I downloaded it, but it won't work with my Windows 7 even though it say's it does work with it. Doh!
                   
                  http://www.wiki-errors.com/err.php?wiki=634
                   
                  (On the right side of the page in that link)
                   
                   
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                    Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 3:27 PM (permalink)
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                    I thought I would try an easier way by using an online repair utility to fix it. I downloaded it, but it won't work with my Windows 7 even though it say's it does work with it. Doh!

                    http://www.wiki-errors.com/err.php?wiki=634

                    (On the right side of the page in that link)



                     
                    You can also check the files by using an elevated command prompt and typing 'sfc /scannow'. From there it should check your existing files from the protected versions and correct any if necessary. It may ask for the install media (disk) just in case it needs to correct files which are not available on the local protected storage. Not sure why that application would not work unless there was corruption elsewhere.
                     
                    [edit]
                    For your reading pleasure here is a technet article about this and how/why you use it. Enjoy.
                     
                    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929833
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                      Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:52 PM (permalink)
                       
                      Will the file checker tell me any corrupted files, or just fix them, and I won't know which files, if any, were bad?
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                        Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:04 PM (permalink)
                         
                        XrayMan


                         
                        Will the file checker tell me any corrupted files, or just fix them, and I won't know which files, if any, were bad?

                         
                        From the note itself it'll put a file there which will log the fixes/failures. All you'd have to do is parse the file with the instructions:
                         


                        To determine which files could not be repaired by the System File Checker tool, follow these steps:
                        1. Open an elevated command prompt.
                        2. Type the following command, and then press ENTER: findstr /c:"[SR]" %windir%\Logs\CBS\CBS.log >%userprofile%\Desktop\sfcdetails.txt
                          Note The Sfcdetails.txt file contains details from every time that the System File Checker tool has been run on the computer. The file includes information about files that were not repaired by the System File Checker tool. Verify the date and time entries to determine the problem files that were found the last time that you ran the System File Checker tool.
                        3. Type sfcdetails.txt in Search programs and files and press Enter.
                        If you don't want to use the search tool to find that file you can always just navigate to the file manually and use wordpad or any other word processing application to view the text.
                         
                             
                         
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                          Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:54 PM (permalink)
                           
                           ^  Sounds good! Thanks!
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                            Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:29 PM (permalink)
                            XrayMan


                             
                            When watching a Video either on Youtube, or Hulu, I get the error:

                                                "Out of memory at line 634"

                            Why do I get that error, and how do I get rid of it?


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                              Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:34 PM (permalink)
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                              XrayMan



                              When watching a Video either on Youtube, or Hulu, I get the error:

                                                 "Out of memory at line 634"

                              Why do I get that error, and how do I get rid of it?


                              Check your PM's


                              Got it. I'll talk to you tomorrow on TS. Thanks!
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                                Re:Out of memory at line 634 Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:37 AM (permalink)
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                                Will the file checker tell me any corrupted files, or just fix them, and I won't know which files, if any, were bad?

                                I believe it's sfc /verifyonly which will not do the repairs.
                                 
                                It should tell you where it created/appended the log file.  If it doesn't, post back and we'll look it up for you.
                                 
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                                  Re:Out of memory at line 634 Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:40 PM (permalink)
                                  maniacvvv


                                  XrayMan



                                  When watching a Video either on Youtube, or Hulu, I get the error:

                                                     "Out of memory at line 634"

                                  Why do I get that error, and how do I get rid of it?


                                  Check your PM's


                                  Ever since we talked on TeamSpeak the other day, and you walked me through changing settings in IE8, I haven't had the error since. Thanks!
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                                    Re:Out of memory at line 634 Sunday, April 08, 2012 12:37 AM (permalink)
                                    XrayMan


                                    maniacvvv


                                    XrayMan



                                    When watching a Video either on Youtube, or Hulu, I get the error:

                                                      "Out of memory at line 634"

                                    Why do I get that error, and how do I get rid of it?


                                    Check your PM's


                                    Ever since we talked on TeamSpeak the other day, and you walked me through changing settings in IE8, I haven't had the error since. Thanks!


                                    Thanks for the feedback and I'm glad the issue appears gone
                                     
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                                      Re:Out of memory at line 634 Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:10 AM (permalink)
                                      If you have Windows 7 then an upgrade to IE 9 is in order.
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                                        Re:Out of memory at line 634 Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:41 AM (permalink)
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                                        If you have Windows 7 then an upgrade to IE 9 is in order.


                                        I disagree...
                                        Current browser development IE9/Chrome/Firefox has headed down the path digital distribution has taken.
                                        That is LESS control and more "hidden" features to benefit marketing profiles and place tracking software on ones system. Privacy and cookies have now been bypassed to make users "feel" better, while unknown to them Flash and HTML5 are now using ones system freely in the background, unaffected by the feel good privacy features on the newer browsers. Very few users understand that the newer versions of Adobe Flash install torrenting p2p clients on their systems that are beyond a normal users control.... Simply having a Tabbed webpage(s) can subject ones system to p2p "forwarding" and crosslinked realtime "phone home" marketing.
                                        Many users I help with browser releated issues are APPALLED when I show them they are p2p sharing flash videos or have large stables of HTML5 marketing software tracking them (much of it totally cloaked).... when they thought their browser was privacy tight and cookies were "controlled" or deleted on session. 
                                         
                                        I find that waiting and reading up (before upgrading) is often preferred.
                                        Only after a given browsers behavior is well known and its "hidden features" understood, do I move forward with my browser version(s).
                                         
                                        Microsoft, Mozilla and Google all attempt to play up the latest and greatest features of their new browsers, their "privacy" and "control"... while at the same time shilling out to the marketing companies by giving them even MORE ways to invade our systems, then laughing all the way to the bank with the money those companies give them for that access.
                                         
                                        The sums made off of browser use, are now in the HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars -per year-
                                         
                                        Anyone who thinks its not a wild west free for all about their personal browser use, when it comes to the "newer" browser versions, is completely mistaken.
                                        Users need to think carefully about the current "something great" that costs you "nothing", as everyone knows (or should) thats just not the case.
                                         
                                        The time -is- coming for upgrading, but I do not personally think that time has come -yet- 
                                         
                                        Marketing and making money aside, one need only review these forums to see that the "exploits" in the current browers are effecting users hardware and causing issues far beyond simply viewing webpages.  
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                                          Re:Out of memory at line 634 Sunday, April 08, 2012 9:25 AM (permalink)
                                          I disagree with your statement because European privacy laws are far more stronger than American laws so IE 9 can not violate those laws. I don't see any software difference between IE 9 downloaded to European customers and American customers so the safeguards should be there. Microsoft is already on probation for other E.U. violations so they have to be very careful and stay within the bounds of E.U. law for any version of IE 9 downloaded onto a European IP address.
                                           
                                          maniacvvv


                                          rjohnson11


                                          If you have Windows 7 then an upgrade to IE 9 is in order.


                                          I disagree...
                                          Current browser development IE9/Chrome/Firefox has headed down the path digital distribution has taken.
                                          That is LESS control and more "hidden" features to benefit marketing profiles and place tracking software on ones system. Privacy and cookies have now been bypassed to make users "feel" better, while unknown to them Flash and HTML5 are now using ones system freely in the background, unaffected by the feel good privacy features on the newer browsers. Very few users understand that the newer versions of Adobe Flash install torrenting p2p clients on their systems that are beyond a normal users control.... Simply having a Tabbed webpage(s) can subject ones system to p2p "forwarding" and crosslinked realtime "phone home" marketing.
                                          Many users I help with browser releated issues are APPALLED when I show them they are p2p sharing flash videos or have large stables of HTML5 marketing software tracking them (much of it totally cloaked).... when they thought their browser was privacy tight and cookies were "controlled" or deleted on session. 

                                          I find that waiting and reading up (before upgrading) is often preferred.
                                          Only after a given browsers behavior is well known and its "hidden features" understood, do I move forward with my browser version(s).

                                          Microsoft, Mozilla and Google all attempt to play up the latest and greatest features of their new browsers, their "privacy" and "control"... while at the same time shilling out to the marketing companies by giving them even MORE ways to invade our systems, then laughing all the way to the bank with the money those companies give them for that access.

                                          The sums made off of browser use, are now in the HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars -per year-

                                          Anyone who thinks its not a wild west free for all about their personal browser use, when it comes to the "newer" browser versions, is completely mistaken.
                                          Users need to think carefully about the current "something great" that costs you "nothing", as everyone knows (or should) thats just not the case.

                                          The time -is- coming for upgrading, but I do not personally think that time has come -yet- 

                                          Marketing and making money aside, one need only review these forums to see that the "exploits" in the current browers are effecting users hardware and causing issues far beyond simply viewing webpages.  


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                                            Re:Out of memory at line 634 Sunday, April 08, 2012 12:48 PM (permalink)
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                                            I disagree with your statement because European privacy laws are far more stronger than American laws so IE 9 can not violate those laws. I don't see any software difference between IE 9 downloaded to European customers and American customers so the safeguards should be there. Microsoft is already on probation for other E.U. violations so they have to be very careful and stay within the bounds of E.U. law for any version of IE 9 downloaded onto a European IP address.

                                            maniacvvv


                                            rjohnson11


                                            If you have Windows 7 then an upgrade to IE 9 is in order.


                                            I disagree...
                                            Current browser development IE9/Chrome/Firefox has headed down the path digital distribution has taken.
                                            That is LESS control and more "hidden" features to benefit marketing profiles and place tracking software on ones system. Privacy and cookies have now been bypassed to make users "feel" better, while unknown to them Flash and HTML5 are now using ones system freely in the background, unaffected by the feel good privacy features on the newer browsers. Very few users understand that the newer versions of Adobe Flash install torrenting p2p clients on their systems that are beyond a normal users control.... Simply having a Tabbed webpage(s) can subject ones system to p2p "forwarding" and crosslinked realtime "phone home" marketing.
                                            Many users I help with browser releated issues are APPALLED when I show them they are p2p sharing flash videos or have large stables of HTML5 marketing software tracking them (much of it totally cloaked).... when they thought their browser was privacy tight and cookies were "controlled" or deleted on session. 

                                            I find that waiting and reading up (before upgrading) is often preferred.
                                            Only after a given browsers behavior is well known and its "hidden features" understood, do I move forward with my browser version(s).

                                            Microsoft, Mozilla and Google all attempt to play up the latest and greatest features of their new browsers, their "privacy" and "control"... while at the same time shilling out to the marketing companies by giving them even MORE ways to invade our systems, then laughing all the way to the bank with the money those companies give them for that access.

                                            The sums made off of browser use, are now in the HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars -per year-

                                            Anyone who thinks its not a wild west free for all about their personal browser use, when it comes to the "newer" browser versions, is completely mistaken.
                                            Users need to think carefully about the current "something great" that costs you "nothing", as everyone knows (or should) thats just not the case.

                                            The time -is- coming for upgrading, but I do not personally think that time has come -yet- 

                                            Marketing and making money aside, one need only review these forums to see that the "exploits" in the current browers are effecting users hardware and causing issues far beyond simply viewing webpages.  



                                            While I certainly agree that European privacy laws are far stronger, that does not prevent actions to which YOU agreed too... no matter if you misunderstood what that agreement really ment.
                                             
                                            Try a test?
                                             
                                            go here http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager09.html
                                             
                                            Were you aware that by sinply installing Flash, you agreed to allow a p2p client to be installed and used in your browser? even if that browser was closed? Using your bandwith without you even knowing?
                                             
                                            If your panel (shown below) does not look -exactly- like mine, then you either have cloaked p2p entries or the listed ones active. And make no mistake, you can check the box to "disable" p2p... but control over that setting is sold. It will become active again and soon as "called", no matter what you check.
                                             

                                             
                                            Check all the panels out, set them up as preferred...
                                            Then check back in 3-4 days. You will find checking "disable" and "never allow" have been changed, and you are now packing Flash cookies, metadata collection models and serving up p2p content off your own connection. Many of these are completely transparent to the user (cloaked), while others more honest "sometimes" are listed. 
                                            Flash is uneffected by Browser privacy settings -by design-
                                             
                                            This was what I was pointing out. Things that people "think" they know about privacy, what is really running, what types of data is collected and what is going on with the bandwith a user pays for......
                                            They really dont.
                                             
                                            And if you thought this Flash stuff was bad.....
                                            HTML5 is the new darling of the web, because so much can be placed (-and- extracted) into and out of a users computer that is even more transparent than flash... its really quite scary what these profile data collectors/marketers are planing on using this new medium for. Google up the stocks of these new companies designing HTML5 tech for data collection. THAT kind of money does not float around, unless there is MONEY to be made.... off the user and his data 
                                             
                                            A great example for noobies... go here  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
                                            Use Network Monitoring software installed on your computer to monitor your Network Stack for incoming and outgoing connections, and you will see over 30 different datasets sent from your PC containing HWID and cross linked to your Twitter and Facbook accounts..Etc,Etc,Etc
                                            *Watching the data outflow... can make a beliver out of anyone who understands the tech and what data is being sent.
                                                
                                                
                                             
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                                              Re:Out of memory at line 634 Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:01 PM (permalink)
                                              I'm really loving how IE10 (yes, Windows 8 CP) has really changed how IE behaves and performs. They have ironed it out and smoother all around without much though a few (and those are quick) "web page recovery."
                                               
                                              note: suppose to see a number of critical fixes to IE and Windows come Tuesday.
                                               
                                               
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                                                Re:Out of memory at line 634 Monday, April 09, 2012 7:48 AM (permalink)
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                                                rjohnson11


                                                If you have Windows 7 then an upgrade to IE 9 is in order.


                                                I disagree...
                                                Current browser development IE9/Chrome/Firefox has headed down the path digital distribution has taken.
                                                That is LESS control and more "hidden" features to benefit marketing profiles and place tracking software on ones system. Privacy and cookies have now been bypassed to make users "feel" better, while unknown to them Flash and HTML5 are now using ones system freely in the background, unaffected by the feel good privacy features on the newer browsers. Very few users understand that the newer versions of Adobe Flash install torrenting p2p clients on their systems that are beyond a normal users control.... Simply having a Tabbed webpage(s) can subject ones system to p2p "forwarding" and crosslinked realtime "phone home" marketing.
                                                Many users I help with browser releated issues are APPALLED when I show them they are p2p sharing flash videos or have large stables of HTML5 marketing software tracking them (much of it totally cloaked).... when they thought their browser was privacy tight and cookies were "controlled" or deleted on session. 

                                                I find that waiting and reading up (before upgrading) is often preferred.
                                                Only after a given browsers behavior is well known and its "hidden features" understood, do I move forward with my browser version(s).

                                                Microsoft, Mozilla and Google all attempt to play up the latest and greatest features of their new browsers, their "privacy" and "control"... while at the same time shilling out to the marketing companies by giving them even MORE ways to invade our systems, then laughing all the way to the bank with the money those companies give them for that access.

                                                The sums made off of browser use, are now in the HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars -per year-

                                                Anyone who thinks its not a wild west free for all about their personal browser use, when it comes to the "newer" browser versions, is completely mistaken.
                                                Users need to think carefully about the current "something great" that costs you "nothing", as everyone knows (or should) thats just not the case.

                                                The time -is- coming for upgrading, but I do not personally think that time has come -yet- 

                                                Marketing and making money aside, one need only review these forums to see that the "exploits" in the current browers are effecting users hardware and causing issues far beyond simply viewing webpages.  

                                                Got a guide for getting the p2p streaming to stop (aside from uninstalling browsers or flash)?  What utilities do you use to analyze your outgoing traffic?
                                                You said in your followup that sites can use the p2p of flash even when a browser isn't open.  How does that work when the flash plugin isn't loaded?  It also sounds like the website has to be approved to do the p2ping...so how does it know to contact you to get your approval without the browser loaded and pointing to the site? Are you saying that it's basically like an open port which anyone on the internet can probe and use?
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                                                  Re:Out of memory at line 634 Monday, April 09, 2012 8:51 AM (permalink)
                                                  pagelm


                                                  maniacvvv


                                                  rjohnson11


                                                  If you have Windows 7 then an upgrade to IE 9 is in order.


                                                  I disagree...
                                                  Current browser development IE9/Chrome/Firefox has headed down the path digital distribution has taken.
                                                  That is LESS control and more "hidden" features to benefit marketing profiles and place tracking software on ones system. Privacy and cookies have now been bypassed to make users "feel" better, while unknown to them Flash and HTML5 are now using ones system freely in the background, unaffected by the feel good privacy features on the newer browsers. Very few users understand that the newer versions of Adobe Flash install torrenting p2p clients on their systems that are beyond a normal users control.... Simply having a Tabbed webpage(s) can subject ones system to p2p "forwarding" and crosslinked realtime "phone home" marketing.
                                                  Many users I help with browser releated issues are APPALLED when I show them they are p2p sharing flash videos or have large stables of HTML5 marketing software tracking them (much of it totally cloaked).... when they thought their browser was privacy tight and cookies were "controlled" or deleted on session. 

                                                  I find that waiting and reading up (before upgrading) is often preferred.
                                                  Only after a given browsers behavior is well known and its "hidden features" understood, do I move forward with my browser version(s).

                                                  Microsoft, Mozilla and Google all attempt to play up the latest and greatest features of their new browsers, their "privacy" and "control"... while at the same time shilling out to the marketing companies by giving them even MORE ways to invade our systems, then laughing all the way to the bank with the money those companies give them for that access.

                                                  The sums made off of browser use, are now in the HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars -per year-

                                                  Anyone who thinks its not a wild west free for all about their personal browser use, when it comes to the "newer" browser versions, is completely mistaken.
                                                  Users need to think carefully about the current "something great" that costs you "nothing", as everyone knows (or should) thats just not the case.

                                                  The time -is- coming for upgrading, but I do not personally think that time has come -yet- 

                                                  Marketing and making money aside, one need only review these forums to see that the "exploits" in the current browers are effecting users hardware and causing issues far beyond simply viewing webpages.  

                                                  Got a guide for getting the p2p streaming to stop (aside from uninstalling browsers or flash)?  What utilities do you use to analyze your outgoing traffic?
                                                  You said in your followup that sites can use the p2p of flash even when a browser isn't open.  How does that work when the flash plugin isn't loaded?  It also sounds like the website has to be approved to do the p2ping...so how does it know to contact you to get your approval without the browser loaded and pointing to the site? Are you saying that it's basically like an open port which anyone on the internet can probe and use?


                                                  Sorry dont have a guide for it, except for what I posted.
                                                  I personally use Netlimiter Pro 3 for monitoring and control.
                                                  If you watch the flashplayer behavior, it stays loaded after the browser closed. Approval is NOT needed, and yes the content appears to be in the memory -only- and is available.
                                                   
                                                  I can only speak for using a fully updated IE8 -and- the "older" version of Flash I use...
                                                  Newer flash versions and different browsers may behave differently
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Out of memory at line 634 Monday, April 09, 2012 3:52 PM (permalink)
                                                    using process explorer I cannot find any handles or DLL substrings containing "flash" after exiting from firefox.  Plugin-container.exe (or whatever it is called) is unloaded as well.  Also can't find any flash loaded after exiting from chrome.
                                                     
                                                    Win7x64
                                                    latest chrome, firefox and flash.
                                                     
                                                    Seeing as you cautioned us against updating our flash...
                                                     
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                                                      Re:Out of memory at line 634 Monday, April 09, 2012 11:05 PM (permalink)
                                                      These "under the table" items are not ment to be found or noticed. Once given the proper rights (installing the browser or Flash itself), you will not be finding them by normal means. 
                                                      ....only the port activity is giving them away.
                                                       
                                                      I am certainly NOT a web expert, flash expert not do I claim any special skills....
                                                      I am just a old school user who "looks" at what is going on inside my rig and its internet connection.
                                                      *old habit from my 2400baud dial up days 
                                                        
                                                       
                                                      I only run an older flash version, because of the videodriver issues seen with Nvidia cards. Since I have never had such issues (if it aint broke...) I am using what works.
                                                       
                                                      I only run a older browser because it does what I need it do. I tried both IE9 and Chrome and found myself unable to do so 100% (at the time). Since IE8 is still the #1 installed/supported browser, I intend to keep using it until either 9 or Chrome overtake it....
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                                                        Re:Out of memory at line 634 Monday, April 09, 2012 11:32 PM (permalink)
                                                        Ok wow looks like it has been repaired nice work
                                                         
                                                        I did not know that flash contains a peer to peer client I did remark to a work friend of mine given the amount of times flash tries to update itself you would think it was uploading all your personal information and browsing history ...
                                                         
                                                        I would think a built in peer to peer program or FTP program would be really handy to do just that...
                                                         
                                                        Im interested in if the following reveals or shines any light on the subject ?
                                                        open
                                                        cmd
                                                         
                                                        then type
                                                        netstat -b
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Out of memory at line 634 Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:01 AM (permalink)
                                                          maniacvvv


                                                          These "under the table" items are not ment to be found or noticed. Once given the proper rights (installing the browser or Flash itself), you will not be finding them by normal means. 
                                                          ....only the port activity is giving them away.

                                                          I am certainly NOT a web expert, flash expert not do I claim any special skills....
                                                          I am just a old school user who "looks" at what is going on inside my rig and its internet connection.
                                                          *old habit from my 2400baud dial up days 
                                                           

                                                          I only run an older flash version, because of the videodriver issues seen with Nvidia cards. Since I have never had such issues (if it aint broke...) I am using what works.

                                                          I only run a older browser because it does what I need it do. I tried both IE9 and Chrome and found myself unable to do so 100% (at the time). Since IE8 is still the #1 installed/supported browser, I intend to keep using it until either 9 or Chrome overtake it....

                                                          It's got to be using a loaded .dll or .exe to be doing the task.  Does your network monitor tell you what filename/application is responsible for the traffic?  How'd you determine it was flash?  Based on traffic only starting after (from startup) you had an open browsing session?
                                                           
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                                                            Re:Out of memory at line 634 Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:46 AM (permalink)
                                                            pagelm


                                                            maniacvvv


                                                            These "under the table" items are not ment to be found or noticed. Once given the proper rights (installing the browser or Flash itself), you will not be finding them by normal means. 
                                                            ....only the port activity is giving them away.

                                                            I am certainly NOT a web expert, flash expert not do I claim any special skills....
                                                            I am just a old school user who "looks" at what is going on inside my rig and its internet connection.
                                                            *old habit from my 2400baud dial up days 


                                                            I only run an older flash version, because of the videodriver issues seen with Nvidia cards. Since I have never had such issues (if it aint broke...) I am using what works.

                                                            I only run a older browser because it does what I need it do. I tried both IE9 and Chrome and found myself unable to do so 100% (at the time). Since IE8 is still the #1 installed/supported browser, I intend to keep using it until either 9 or Chrome overtake it....

                                                            It's got to be using a loaded .dll or .exe to be doing the task.  Does your network monitor tell you what filename/application is responsible for the traffic?  How'd you determine it was flash?  Based on traffic only starting after (from startup) you had an open browsing session?


                                                            Yes, the behavior is triggered only -after- opening the browser and flash has become active.
                                                            Once the browser is closed (but flash is still active) I then look at the stack and google the outbound IP's
                                                             
                                                            I tested this over a year ago when I first noticed it.
                                                            I can confirm that after using the "Flash Manager" to delete the entries showing (of the ones cloaked), that it stops... unless of course I open the browser and hit a page that is using this stufff, then it starts again.
                                                             
                                                            My soulution has simply been to use the Flash Manager every day or so, redo the settings and delete out the junk. Since the ports appear random, blocking them does not help.
                                                             
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