The first video that I saw had a guy running around by himself.  I saw lows in the 30's and highs in the 70's.  In a firefight on a big map there is no way he could keep an average of 50 fps.
 
You could always try selling them and get one powerful card with plenty of Vram.

thing is, i bought the second one from newegg which means i have 30 days to get a full refund. do you guys think its worth returning the gpu or it is worth keeping it ? i mean if i return the gpu then i need to sell my current gtx 560 ti and then after returning and selling i will buy some gpu that have more than 1.5gb ..... what do you think ? sohuld i stick with them or return & sell & buy something big ?

If you are complaining that you arent getting enough performance, there is currently no way to upgrade the card to having more vram.  If you want to run higher settings and higher resolutions without screen stutter or low FPS at times, I would recommend 2GB VRAM or more.  I wouldnt do 1.5GB.  3-4GB is more ideal as the games will require more and more as they come out.
 
If you can return it do it, and sell the 560TI and upgrade to a card with more VRAM. 
 
Or if you can wait, keep the one 560ti to game on until Kepler releases, then buy one of the new cards as they will come with more VRAM for the same price.

so you think all the upcoming games will require 1gb+ vram or more ? i mean these 2 cards wont hold me for a year ? i mean i can return it but it will give me a huge headache to pay for the shipping(as there isnt any problem with the card itself) and then selling my gpu(which i dont know to who)..... i mean i can do it but do you think it is necessary ? now i get that bf3 is **** and requires 1.5gb+ vram but what about other games ? like maxpayne 3 or hitman absolution and other games ?
 
PS:i will be running the same monitor Benq 20" 1600x900 and i might buy in the future a 3d screen but not higher resolution than 1080p.
 
so will i be having problems with the gtx 560 ti in sli ?

About BF3...i suggest to keep motion blur on OFF...
About keeping your 560ti...
About changing video card it's up to you...
for me it's strange that your vram usage whit msaa off it's still using 100% of your vram...
it might be that using the system with 2 different resolution it always load the vram to be ready to show also at 1080p...dunno just an option...i would try using your same resolution and settings!
btw what kind of lag are you founding on BF3??
'cause lag could be many differents things:
vsync on, mouse's drivers, usb drivers(for mouse's operation), connection, bad settings in firewall...
 
If you are going to buy a 3d monitor you will not be fine with the 560s sli...you will need a sli of 570 2.5gb or a sli of 580 3gb to run it properly!!! even @ 1080p...
so if it's what you want just give that back to Newegg, sell your and go for a 570 2.5 or 580 3 and when the prices will drop, buy a second to SLI!!
I suggest to think at Kepler some months after launching!!
 
 

runs on 80+fps 90% of the time. all ultra 1600x900 msaa 2x.
 
the lagg i have is when my gpu memory reaches 1010mb. thats when the it start stutters so bad....
 
also the gtx 570 are very expensive(at least for me)... they are like $400 with tax... (the 2.5gb version), and the other version is 1.2gb which is not big difference than the gtx 560 ti..
 
also if i return mine i will get $250 refund + selling my old gtx 560 ti for lets say $140 = $390 = 1 gtx 570.....  i dont think i will use another gtx 570 for a long time since i dont have the money...
 
i really dont know what to do i mean if the upcoming games will run on ultra with my gtx 560 ti sli 1gb then i will just leave it for a year and then buy a good single gpu .... if not, then i HAVE to return it because it is a waste.
 
EDIT: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130687 $400 = $430with tax for a single gpu :(

Hey Abruzzi,
 
I'm the guy with the GTX 460. I'll explain a little more about my experiences with BF3. (Yes my card is older but we're here about a 1GB Vram limitation so I feel my experience will help you)
 
I have a 1080p monitor I use at home to play on and  I have a 22in @ 1680x1050 I take to friends houses for LANS and so on. When I'm on my 1080p monitor my Vram is at 990-1001ish. On my 22in its at 920-960ish. This is when on all High settings with HBAO and AA off. This is all while getting 40-60 fps on the 1080p and 50-70 fps on the 22in. Yes I could go to ultra but the decrease in fps would make it very unplayable for me and I assume you as well.
 
Right before release of BF3 DICE released pictures of what the landscape would look like in Low/Med/High/Ultra. You could see a difference in low and med but comparing High and ultra you couldn't see a difference at all unless you actually stared at the picture noticing the tiny changes between the two photos. So unless your going to just stare at the landscape I recommend trying High settings and see for yourself if you even notice the difference when your in a large battle. In one of the press conferences DICE did they even said that High is meant for 1GB and Ultra is meant for 1.5 GB+.
 
This game is very much a resource hog even for my specs and not to sound like an a**hole right now but the GTX x60 lineup is a budget performance card. So your kind of getting what you paid for, I couldn't squeeze anymore performance out of my card even if I wanted to. The only absolute way for me to get even a single fps more out of my rig is to lower my settings slightly or to upgrade my GPU. The rest of my rig can last me years and years buy when it comes to BF3 my GPU has hit its limit. But this isn't stopping me from playing the game at all. Heck even at our resolutions AA isn't really noticeable unless once again you just stare at the landscape.
 
*As to adding my 2 cents in about what you should do with the 2nd card all depends on what you choose to do graphically. If you choose to try out High instead of Ultra and stick with it then yes you should keep it because you'll still have a very beautiful game and get high frame rate out of it. I myself am content with my rig and really don't see a point in upgrading even when Kepler arrives just because I'm already getting very nice fps anyway and me getting anymore wouldn't enhance my game play or add to how beautiful the game is.
 
But.. if you do absolutely want more graphics and max out every setting in your game (trust me I was there myself a few years ago) then I recommend returning your current card and either find the cash for the 570 or if you can wait for kepler to appear because the Kepler 660 is suppose to be equivalent to a 570 and be even cheaper then what the 570 is right now.
 
Edit: To reply on your last post about future games being resource heavy I will give you my opinion on trends I have noticed over the years of PC gaming. Games will always become more and more resource heavy, the software will be developed first then the hardware will catch up to play the game well, I'm sure some people may argue with me on that statement. I don't know how knowledgeable you are on PC gaming but Crysis was the game back in 2007/2008 that crushed everyone's computers expect for the PC enthusiast. Even then not many games even went up to that level of resource intensity for a long time until recent years. Heck most games still aren't anywhere close.
 
BF3 has set the new bar in modern games for resource heavy. What ever BF sequel comes out will most likely be at the exact same level. By then most of us would of purchased the latest hardware as it became cheaper and upgraded our machines to run this game smooth as butter. Anyone can run this game its just how much eye candy do you want and how low in fps can you handle.

well thak you verymuch. your experiance did help me. about setting it on high. i did, and i got 80fps 90fps average with HBAO and 4XMSAA(i can post screenshots if you want). nad i didnt have a single fps drop cuz my memorey on both gpus are on 980mb...  
 

Lol shoot that is true we haven't really answered your question. The only problem with that is only the developer really knows that answer. They're the ones who release the recommended hardware recommendations and until we get the game in our hands we don't know what it will do to our systems.
 
BTW I did an edit in my last post that I think answers this in a weird way. Please read it, I put a lot of thought into it.
   
EDIT: lol well instead of making a new post again I'll just edit this. I gave you all the info I can give and the two options you should think about in your PC gaming endeavors.  Its up to you on what choice you want to make. Ultimately your the one who is going to be using the PC and playing the games. I'll just leave it at that, take care.

P.S. I wonder If you'll read this.

i did read it and thanks again.
 
BUT
 
the final answer is to return the gtx 560 ti to newegg right ? please i need openions !should i return or not. YES/NO :(

If your planning it's to going to play on 3D monitor i suggest yes...
but if moneys are a problem i think that you may have to change your target...
If you don't like to go for compromise and play all max out, you will never be happy if you don't have almost a 590...or maybe a 7970...
but if you want to play @1600x1200 you may stay as you are right now and do a big change later on...when details about new kepler are out...
Buying now a 560ti was at the beginning a bad choice, almost for your purpose...now i think it's better to give your card back if you decide to go in future for 3D (always remember that it will be expensive atm)...otherwise i think that it's a good improve of performance a 2nd GPU...

Abruzzi


i did read it and thanks again.

BUT

the final answer is to return the gtx 560 ti to newegg right ? please i need openions !should i return or not. YES/NO :(

I'm going to come out and say it... You should keep those 560s because you're trying to run BF3 on Ultra when there's no point what so ever other than an ego boost.. There's honestly no difference in graphics when you're playing BF3 on High(which gives me nearly 20 FPS) and just because some games don't run good with your SLi setup doesn't mean the cards are bad, it could just mean the game is a terrible console port and not optimized for SLi or your hardware.

That's like you booting up Arma 2 and finding out you probably can't even run it on medium with over 40 FPS and then saying your computer sucks, it's just that some games don't run good no matter the hardware and with BF3 this is the case; with the Ultra setting, unless of course you have a 1.5GB+ GPU with a 2600k and 8GB+ ram.

Anyways at that resolution there's no reason what so ever for you to give away those SLi'd 560 Ti's.  

Try these settings in BF3 before giving up:
From top down on settings page in game > Custom, High, Ultra, Ultra, Ultra, Ultra, Ultra, Off, High, Off, 16X, HBAO
For nvidia control panel follow the guide posted earlier.

I use those settings with SLI 560, 2600K get 70+ fps, no lags or frame drops at 1920x1080 resolution.

If youtake a real look at the posts, everyone has given you the recommendation you may just not want the answer haha.

Basically we all said, you get what you pay for. You keep saying you can't afford better cards, so that's your answer. Keep what you can afford. Until you can afford better you are stuck with that performance.

Noone can predict the future, but if past trends continue, games tend to get better as time passes, they don't degrade.

1GB vram just isn't enough. You will be running games under the max settings forever, which is supposed to be the case. Higher settings equal better cards. Shouldn't be able to max out a game with lower end hardware.

crezno


If youtake a real look at the posts, everyone has given you the recommendation you may just not want the answer haha.

Basically we all said, you get what you pay for. You keep saying you can't afford better cards, so that's your answer. Keep what you can afford. Until you can afford better you are stuck with that performance.

Noone can predict the future, but if past trends continue, games tend to get better as time passes, they don't degrade.

1GB vram just isn't enough. You will be running games under the max settings forever, which is supposed to be the case. Higher settings equal better cards. Shouldn't be able to max out a game with lower end hardware.

 
Well said, I bolded the last for emphasis.  Heck right now, people are complaining about new Kepler cards that possibly "only" have 2 GB of Vram.  That should tell you something about 1GB:) 

ok i just claled newegg and i coulnt be happier. they agreed to return it right away and not only that ! they gave me a freee shipping label too, i love newegg. now i am thinking of what to buy next.
 
i found gtx 480 for $219 on newegg ! such an awesome price !even cheaper than my gtx 560 ti : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130759&cm_sp=Cat_Video_Cards_%26%2338%3b_Video_Devices-_-Clearance-_-14-130-759
 
do you think i should buy it  ? or buy something else ? please give me suggestions as i want to buy another gpu now ! but i want something cheap and good if you know what i mean. and i want it from newegg as it is the best place for me to buy.

I think your missing our argument. In fact I think your missing everyone's argument who posted. Ask yourself this what exactly are you trying to accomplish by buying a larger card. Your 560Ti SLI was perfect for you as long as you played it in High settings.
 
2 560Ti's in SLI will give you better performance then a single GTX 480. So now you have a higher Vram to handle Ultra but not enough graphical power to run it all on ultra and maintain good FPS.
 
So again at the end of the day when your purchases are all done what do you really want. Because your trading in one set of problems for a whole new set of problems. The GTX 480 is cool but is can't compare to 560's in SLI.

Here's an option for you.
Not an EVGA product.  I have one and it is an excellent performer.
overclocks like a beast as well.  I have one and run it @ 950/1900/2004
 
Here is the EVGA version , though I don't like it's cooling solution as much as the MSI card.
 
As I said earlier, some games tax your resources more than others BF3 is pretty much the highest resource using game around at the moment.  If you like/ want to run games with all the eye-candy on and plan on using 3 screens and 3D in the future. you'd best start saving your pennies.
You will need 2 top range cards to do that.  If you are willing to compromise a bit on the eye-candy, you can use lower spec cards.
2Gb Vram should be the minimum you should buy, looking forward games are only going to get more graphically intense, requiring more Vram.
 
 
 

actually, some of you misunderstood me. i was talking about gtx 480 in SLI. and i would run 3d and i may not. but FOR SURE i will run only 1 screen @ 1080p. I HATE RUNNING 3 SCREENS or 2. ONE screen is all i will use(forever).
 
my question was is the 480 good ? and is the 1.5gb ram enough ? and is it good in SLI ? thats what i was asking and i was saying that it is $40 cheaper than the gtx 560 ti.
 
also i would like to hear other gpus suggestions if the gtx 480 is a bad choice.
 
@simba 123, these are expensive GPUs comparing to the gtx 480 ($219.99). but again you prefer the gtx 560 ti 2gb over the gtx 480 1.5gb ?the difference is $50 x2 = $100 in sli.

For the last time, you need more vram, if you run sli,its a waste of money to sli anything with less than 2gb of vram. Buying 2 powerful cards with low vram is like buying a semi that you can never hook a trailer up too. Yes its powerful, but it wont perform well at all when its used as its indended to be. The older the card you buy the less optimized it is. Nvidia does not optimize 400 series cards in its updated driver releases. Stick to a 500 series od wait for kepler.

okay ! its just the price is just insane ! $220 fpr evga gtx 480  ... i mean who would belive it ? i thought 1.5 gb will be enough for a single monitor :). i guess i will buy the gtx 570 2.5gb and wait for later to buy another one.
 
so is the gtx 570 will be hard to find ? or ? i mean the 2.5gb is kind of special edition right ?

That card could be considered rare ...  Why not wait a month?  That 560Ti will run your games at that res on high just fine for now.

well i send the other gpu already to newegg. i am stick with one only for now and i geuss i will just hold to it.
 
but i dont think i will buy the new series of nvidia gpus as it will be even more expensive than the new amd 7000series for sure.
 
all i am asking now is for recommendation of gpus to buy after selling my other gtx 560 ti as all the gpus are 1.5gb and the 2gb+ are expensive ..

Your only option was to either suffer with 1 GPU or keep both in SLi.. Now you sent the other one in so unless you cough up some cash; you won't be able to buy a good enough GPU that has 1.5GB+ and enough power for max settings on games.

He could always sell his second card, and get a 570 with more Vram?

actually i can buy the gtx 570 with 2.5gb of ram but the only big issue that preventing me from buying the gtx 570 2.5 gb is that it is a special edition and it might not be avilable next year.....
 
also when i boguht the other gtx 560 ti to put it in sli i bought the corsair GS800 800w from newegg. and i was too lazey to return the psu too as i already did cable managment and stuff...
 
so what do you think the CORSAIR GS800 800w will handle ? i mean gpus in SLI/CF as i am now start thinking of getting AN AMD GPU :D i am scared too as i never purchased anything from AMD before XD

Johnny_Utah


He could always sell his second card, and get a 570 with more Vram?

Yes but a single 570 can't compare to 2 560Ti's. Ya you got your Vram but you don't have the horsepower anymore the way he did with two cards.

yeh i know so i am really stuck.... i want something good with 2gb+ vram and will be able to purchase another one next year.... what do you think of ? which nvidia or ati should i go ?

If it were me, I'd return the 560 and look around for some good deals in the For Sale section / retail sites.  And, at the same time, sell your existing 560.  I'd get a card with at least 1.5 GB VRAM. 

NazcaC2


If it were me, I'd return the 560 and look around for some good deals in the For Sale section / retail sites.  And, at the same time, sell your existing 560.  I'd get a card with at least 1.5 GB VRAM. 

hmm, did you read what we were arguing above?  :D i belive that you are too lazy to read XD. anyways, i already did return the gpu today and i only have 1 gpu. i can sell it to the local computer store like no problem but i was arguing about which card should i get NVIDIA/AMD :)  the gtx 480 is on clearence in NEWEGG for $219.99 i would have purchased it right away right now. but i dont think my corsair gs800 800w will handle 2 of them in SLI :D so sad .... such an insane deal !