Since we have a few strike team (or new name TBD) members heading off over the weekend, I thought I'd get a strategy discussion started now.  That way, they can get an early start if we've got enough figured out by then.   In general I'd like to get started this weekend and finish before March Madness folding.  It might be nice to make a top 50 DC Vault standing our goal.
The general concept is to make a concerted attack on our DC Vault standings by spreading our members across the projects where we have a low score.  In a nutshell, the DC Vault score for a project is your team's percentile rank times 100.  Thus, our folding@home team, at the 99.999th percentile, gets a score of 10,000.  If we have a team around 75th place out of 100, that's worth 2500 points.  What I noticed in several projects is that the lower half or even more of teams have pretty low scores; from there on up it gets a lot harder.  As an example, I was able to get our SIMAP team up to 7500 points running 2 systems for 2 weeks.
So, here's a list of projects where we are in the lowest 75 percent.  The ones in bold look like good targets; strikethrough ones may have "issues"; "???" means I don't know enough.  I would appreciate feedback from experts on the various projects, and also volunteers to lead the assault on each project (meaning help people out with setup instructions etc).  I'll try to keep this thread updated with everyone's feedback.  When we get the list firmed up, I hope people will volunteer for various projects so we can get good coverage.  I know most people, including me, picked Biological/Medical for their preference, but I am happy to explore outside of that  area for our "expeditions".
Physical Science
Cosmology@Home - currently having issues with the servers, and DC Vault isn't listing  the right team yet
Leiden Classic - 4338 points - pumps out cpu tasks worth ~30 credits that take 1-2 hours
Muon1 Particle Accelerator Design - 3561 points - non-BOINC, manual setup but not difficult
QMC@Home - 4820 points - ???
Biological and Medical Science
Malariacontrol.net - 7129 points - 1-2 hr CPU tasks - good chance of moving into top 20% in a week with more than one person running
Poem@Home - 3969 points - we are already cranking this one up
RNA World @ Home - 7103 points - CPU tasks that take at least 2 hours and sometimes over 5 days
The Lattice Project - 4237 points - BOINC project, first unit I got will take 72 hours, uses 800MB memory for 1
Mathematical
Collatz Conjecture - 5233 points - ATI GPU preferred
Enigma@Home - 4401 points - works on decoding the enigma machines and stuff.... Fairly quick wus, RHMash's 920 goes about 50 min to an hour....
GIMPS - 0 points - non-BOINC, manual setup, can take 2 weeks to complete 1 prime
NFS@Home - 5510 points - CPU tasks, 45 min to 1hr15min to complete
OGR-72 - 1287 points - non-BOINC, but fairly flexible and powerful client
Prime Sierpinski Problem - 2414 points - non-BOINC prime number finder - Pumps out CPU (first pass) task worth ~7500 credits takes 3 to 4 days to complete while its CPU (double check) task worth ~1500 credits takes ~a day to complete. This is a non-BOINC project and it's quite confusing to configure
RC5-72 - 6663 points - use only AMD GPUs - Pumps out GPU task worth ~1500 credits per server communication and takes ~2 hrs 15mins to complete. This is a non-BOINC project and quite easy to install. There is a BOINC Moo! Wrapper for this project that is not optimized whereby its GPU Usage % is much lower.
Wieferich@Home - skip this one, it's about to be removed from DC Vault
Miscellaneous
Majestic-12 - 2142 points - this one uses a LOT of internet bandwidth, not much CPU. Yes, indeed it is at least 1Mbit bandwidth running 24/7 for a day to crawl half a million URLs. This is a non-BOINC project and easy to install manually
SZTAKI Desktop Grid - 6195 points - ???
 
 
 
 

Enigma works on decoding the enigma machines and stuff.... Fairly quick wus, my 920 goes about 50 min to an hour.... Ive been doing it for a few days now alongnwith a few others to boost it up some....

Sztaki, low points per unit.... Haven't done one in awhile though.... I want to say intakes awhile for verification also....

I'll post more soon....

Enigma works on decoding the enigma machines and stuff.... Fairly quick wus, my 920 goes about 50 min to an hour.... Ive been doing it for a few days now alongnwith a few others to boost it up some....

Sztaki, low points per unit.... Haven't done one in awhile though.... I want to say intakes awhile for verification also....

I'll post more soon....
 
Edit:  QMC estimates about a 24 hour run time for me, but it drops to being about 9 hours....
Sztaki estimates about 2 hours....  Both are BOINC also....

Thanks RHMash, I updated the first post.  Could you also mention whether each project runs under BOINC?  They sure are a lot easier to run than the non-BOINC ones.

Don't know why it double posted....  Both are BOINC projects....
 
Hopefully it makes things easier for the BOINC projects at least, http://allprojectstats.com/showteam.php?projekt=0&id=1588163 it shows how many members are crunching each project....  I would assume those with only one or two members would see a quicker increase in ranking with even just an extra person crunching....
 
And also, http://www.dc-vault.com/projects.php wihtout looking at our current rankings and point gaps between ranks, I would assume those with fewer teams would see a bigger DCV increase for position changes....  On a side note, though, I notice a big jump in our SETI ranking once in awhile with so many teams there, a few points will cause that....
 
On a side note, going back to the single member projects, Unless someone else has joined, I've been running Dimes on two systems, but only one recently, and it has gotten us to where we are currently....  
 
Not looking at individual projects, overall, I think we would see a bigger placement increase from Physical and Biological/Medical Sciences than the Math and Misc projects....  http://www.dc-vault.com/showscores.php
Look at the teams around 10 spots ahead of us in all of the categories, the points difference is closer in the two I pointed out above, mainly because we're ranked lower in those categories....  As much as I like the Math projects, I think we would see more of an improvement in physical and biological/medical sciences....  Running at least one from the other two wouldn't hurt, either, give people some variety....

The projects that can be setup easily in BOINC Manager which I've some exposure to are highlighted in green color as follows;-

Physical Science
Cosmology@Home - currently having issues with the servers, and DC Vault isn't listing  the right team yet
Leiden Classic - 4338 points. Pumps out cpu task worth ~30+ credits that can take up 1 - 2 hours to complete.
Muon1 Particle Accelerator Design - 3561 points - non-BOINC, manual setup but not difficult
QMC@Home - 4820 points - ???
Biological and Medical Science
Malariacontrol.net - 7129 points - ???
Poem@Home - 3969 points - we are already cranking this one up
RNA World @ Home - 7103 points - ??? Pumps out cpu task that can take at least 2 hours and perhaps, sometimes more than 5 days to complete. So, don't be surprised to receive a task that may estimate to take 30 long days.
The Lattice Project - 4237 points - ???
Mathematical
Collatz Conjecture - 5233 points - ??? Pumps out gpu task worth ~3000+ credits that can take about 25 minutes to complete.
Enigma@Home - 4401 points - works on decoding the enigma machines and stuff.... Fairly quick wus, RHMash's 920 goes about 50 min to an hour....
GIMPS - 0 points - non-BOINC, manual setup, can take 2 weeks to complete 1 prime
NFS@Home - 5510 points - ??? Pumps out cpu task worth a fixed 44 and 65 credits for its 15e Lattice Sieve v1.08 and 16e Lattice Sieve v1.09 applications respectively which takes up 45mins - 1hr 15mins to complete.
OGR-72 - 1287 points - ???
Prime Sierpinski Problem - 2414 points - non-BOINC prime number finder. Pumps out CPU (first pass) task worth ~7500 credits takes 3 to 4 days to complete while its CPU (double check) task worth ~1500 credits takes ~a day to complete. This is a non-BOINC project and it's quite confusing to configure but I'll try to provide details later.
RC5-72 - 6663 points - ??? Pumps out GPU task worth ~1500 credits per server communication and takes ~2 hrs 15mins to complete. This is a non-BOINC project and quite easy to install. There is a BOINC Moo! Wrapper for this project that is not optimized whereby its GPU Usage % is much lower.
Wieferich@Home - skip this one, it's about to be removed from DC Vault
Miscellaneous
Majestic-12 - 2142 points - this one uses a LOT of internet bandwidth, not much CPU. Yes, indeed it is at least 1Mbit bandwidth running 24/7 for a day to crawl half a million URLs. This is a non-BOINC project and easy to install manually.
SZTAKI Desktop Grid - 6195 points - ???

Muon1 is also available under Yoyo@Home. Yoyo uses wrappers for those smaller projects out there to give them more support. I am also running another project under Yoyo called Harminous Trees. I'll see what I can do to run some additional projects in the list. One of my main i7 BOINC rigs will be going offline because I am giving it over to my mom to help her build a better system. I plan to replace this particular system with a 3930K as soon as the processors are available again but that might take a couple weeks.

Looking at MOBAJOBG's post, we could probably look at doing 2 projects at once in some cases too. What comes to my mind is doing CPU work on POEM@Home and GPU work on Collatz Conjecture concurrently.
 
I've been doing POEm and GPUGRID together lately, but I think I will switch over my main rig GPUs to Collatz in the next day or two.
 
Just let me know what to work on, and I will get things set up this weekend.
 
I have found the boincstats BAM! website to be quite helpful in getting things set up properly too. I can help anyone who needs it on their system.

I can switch one or two GPUs to Collatz. For anyone with ATI cards, Collatz really benefits from these cards due to the use of double precision math. 
 
I used to run QMC and The Lattice Project years ago. I'll try and fire those up somewhere. Also, I can enable Muon1 again in Yoyo.

I can set up Malariacontrol on one of my rigs later on today, and let you know how long they take to crunch

True, I'd witnessed a highend AMD ATI gc done 15 - 16 mins per task that a NVIDIA GTX580 took 25mins for Collatz Conjecture project.

I completely read over collatz.... CPU and gpu tasks of various lengths.... I haven't had any problems with it.... Some people feel it is more of a waste of resources than primegrid.... Whether it eventually proves or disproved the conjecture, what use is it? But I still do work for it....

One thing I just noticed about Collatz is that my GTX 580 GPU load is 50-60%. With an app_info.xml it should be possible to run two at once to better utilize the GPU. I'll see if I can put one together in the next couple days when I have some more time.

linux, I dont think muon1 under yoyo gives points towards the muon1 stand alone.... The same goes for primegrid and some of the stand-alone non boinc prime projects....

Also, I thought I read before MOBA worked on something to run it at full capacity....

OK, went ahead and started crunching on Malariacontrol.net
On a non oced 970 the "Run openMalaria A" tasks take between 1-2h.
These are all I got so far
 
edit: first task completed and validated: ~1h 20 min runtime and 19 pts awarded

I'm running a test of RNA world using the small work units (cmsearch small).  I'll report back when they complete with run time/points information.

In POEM
Our team is ranked 533 (Top 45.2%) has a total of 29,889 credits.
A top 10% team ranked 117 has a total of 1,320,781 credits while another top 20% team ranked 234 has a total of 311,326 credits.
 
In Collatz Conjecture
Our team is ranked 594 (Top 47.7%) has a total of 1,876,300 credits.
A top 10% team ranked 124 has a total of 77,383,305 credits while another top 20% team ranked 248 has a total of 16,486,303 credits.
 
In RNA World
Our team is ranked 116 (Top 28.7%) has a total of 76,944 credits.
A top 10% team ranked 40 has a total of 1,236,786 credits while another top 20% team ranked 80 has a total of 172,079 credits.
 
In MalariaControl.net
Our team is ranked 587 (Top 28.7%)  has a total of 76,933 credits.
A top 10% team ranked 204 has a total of 503,933 credits while another top 20% team ranked 408 has a total of 155,068 credits.

Ok, I joined up for muon1 and poem@home.  I will try them out and get some work done

I will be glad and help out where needed.  I have 2 7970's that I have been mashing out driver problems with.  If someone would like to point me in the direction I can best help the team, I will start tomorrow running whichever project I need to.

MOBAJOBG

In MalariaControl.net
Our team is ranked 587 (Top 28.7%)  has a total of 76,933 credits.
A top 10% team ranked 204 has a total of 503,933 credits while another top 20% team ranked 408 has a total of 155,068 credits.

Did some quick math.
If points and task times stay consistant:
a week crunching on that 970 should give me ~220k points and put us somewhere around rank 300, up from585.
The current #300 team has 283k points.

Johnny_Utah


I will be glad and help out where needed.  I have 2 7970's that I have been mashing out driver problems with.  If someone would like to point me in the direction I can best help the team, I will start tomorrow running whichever project I need to.

Johnny_Utah, I've written something for you to consider, see your "Crunching on AMD cards" thread.

Barbarossa

MOBAJOBG

In MalariaControl.net
Our team is ranked 587 (Top 28.7%)  has a total of 76,933 credits.
A top 10% team ranked 204 has a total of 503,933 credits while another top 20% team ranked 408 has a total of 155,068 credits.

Did some quick math.
If points and task times stay consistant:
a week crunching on that 970 should give me ~220k points and put us somewhere around rank 300, up from585.
The current #300 team has 283k points.

Yeah, and with concerted effort from our team8s, a better rank in the lower than Top 10% is achievable.

MOBAJOBG

Johnny_Utah


I will be glad and help out where needed.  I have 2 7970's that I have been mashing out driver problems with.  If someone would like to point me in the direction I can best help the team, I will start tomorrow running whichever project I need to.

Johnny_Utah, I've written something for you to consider, see your "Crunching on AMD cards" thread.

 
Thank you!  I will check it out now.

MOBAJOBG

Barbarossa

MOBAJOBG

In MalariaControl.net
Our team is ranked 587 (Top 28.7%)  has a total of 76,933 credits.
A top 10% team ranked 204 has a total of 503,933 credits while another top 20% team ranked 408 has a total of 155,068 credits.

Did some quick math.
If points and task times stay consistant:
a week crunching on that 970 should give me ~220k points and put us somewhere around rank 300, up from585.
The current #300 team has 283k points.

Yeah, and with concerted effort from our team8s, a better rank in the lower than Top 10% is achievable.

Yep, I can still add in 2 more 2600ks, that should get us to around rank 200 in a week. Throw in the one or other addtional day or cpu, and we´d easily get there.
Most teams there only consist of 1-5 people, so once we get there, we won´t get kicked down too soon either.

I just have a question.  Is "Plundering the DC Vault" the same thing as the DC Strike Team?  I may have mistakenly envisioned that our Team was going to agree upon a particular Project to attack and then go after it en masse.  From what I've read above it seems we may be going in various directions/projects at once and that is OK...I'm just trying to understand the thing(s) we are doing better.

Perhaps, we can attack 2 cpu projects and 1 gpu project for a start since it's not a challenge series where we must just have 1 target to shoot at only rather than improving our beloved team's DC-Vault standings. heHehe.

like your thinking there MOBAJOBG
 
Right now its just about finding out which one(s) to attack first

As RHMash said, running Yoyo@home will only get you credit in yoyo, not the underlying project.
 
  RC5-72 - only use AMD GPUs here.  GPU is incredibly faster than CPU, and AMD spanks Nvidia.  So put the CPUs and Nvidia cards to use elsewhere.  Easy to set up client which is rather robust in configuration options.  You can even create one install, then copy the dnetc.exe and dnetc.ini to other machines. It works well for machines with limited or no connection. 
 
OGR - CPU only.  Same client as above, so the positives about the ease of client apply here as well.
 
Muon1 - Also a good CPU option for limited connections.  You can start it running and then upload a week or even a month later.
 
/edit - Changed  ATI to AMD.  Old habits.  

texinga


I just have a question.  Is "Plundering the DC Vault" the same thing as the DC Strike Team?  I may have mistakenly envisioned that our Team was going to agree upon a particular Project to attack and then go after it en masse.  From what I've read above it seems we may be going in various directions/projects at once and that is OK...I'm just trying to understand the thing(s) we are doing better.

Yes, yes, yes and yes.  The strike team / strike force is attacking the DC Vault as a whole.  Yes, we did agree, in that 22 of the 22 that voted for a name also voted for this.  Yes, for this effort we are going at multiple projects at once, as a concerted effort to plunder the vault. 
I'm sure most efforts in the future will be directed at a single project, as were the previous ones (Christmas Challenge and PrimeGrid Year of the Dragon) but in this case we are attacking from all sides rather than concentrating all our forces at one door. 
 
We have 22 people signed up, most of whom probably have several rigs, and if we can spread out across a number of our lowest-ranked projects, we can make a considerable jump in DC Vault standings.  It doesn't matter whether they are math, science or biology, because all the project ranking points are added together, not normalized by category.
 
As an example - I spent 10 days with 2 rigs and got our team from last place to in the top 25% in SIMAP, earning us 7500 points in the rankings.  If we put a large number of people on a project where we are already in the top 25%, we might move to the top 10% in a week, earning us 1500 points.   You get more "bang for the buck" on our low-ranked projects.

For CPU based what you recommend ?
 I have  24 AMD Opteron cores "Tourist" to release so help me with the projects to focus with my kraken