Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice?

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Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:52 PM (permalink)
I've had this setup for a few weeks now, seems to be working ok but wondering if I should change it up a little. 216 is running a bit hot (I've seen worse but I'd still like it down a bit).

PCIe_1 - PNY 55nm (216) 576/1242
PCIe_2 - EVGA 65nm SC (192) 590/1296
PCIe_3 - Empty

Wondering if I should run the 192 in the 1st slot instead of the newer card, but since it's an OC edition I'm not really sure. Had Precision underclocking it to the 216's speed but I'm not a big fan of overclocking software. Thought about flashing the Bios but that always has it's drawbacks, don't feel like bricking by card lol.

So would flashing the Bios be worth the risk (to downclock the old card not OC the new one) or just switch slots?
 
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    Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:58 PM (permalink)
    what temps are you getting on the cards? the top one ussually does run the warmest since all the heat from the lower cards rises against it. I suggest you keep the 216 card as primary still for games that don't have SLI support as it has more shaders than the 192

    also I don't recommend flashing the bios at all on the cards, if you don't like overclocking software then you are outta luck.
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      Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:00 PM (permalink)
      Run the slower card in the top slot,that way it will only run at its rated speed .

      If you want to O.C it to the faster cards speeds just use Evga precision .

      Never flash the bios from a different card it insantly voids your warranty and is unnecessary .
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        Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:37 PM (permalink)
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        Run the slower card in the top slot,that way it will only run at its rated speed .

        If you want to O.C it to the faster cards speeds just use Evga precision .

        Never flash the bios from a different card it insantly voids your warranty and is unnecessary .


        Looking at GPU-z both cards are running at their max speed while in 3d mode. I don't want to OC the main card because it is hot enough already. And the warranty on my old card (the 192 that I want to underclock to the 216's speed) - expired like a year ago lol. I'm not flashing the Bios on the new card.

        Top card - PNY 216 - 86c while playing STO
        Bottom card - EVGA 192 - 71c

        -216-- 576/1242 (New card)
        -192--590/1296 (Old card) - the one i was thinking of flashing.

         
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          Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Friday, January 22, 2010 8:14 AM (permalink)
          What kind of case do you have? Are you leaving the fan on auto? With my fan on 65-70% while playing anything or folding I never even touch 75c. It sounds like you are leaving the fans on auto of have terrible airflow in your case.
           
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            Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:44 PM (permalink)
            HAF 9xxx the way to big way to loud CM case lol. Airflow is fine, CPU temps running low 40's (q9550 @ 3.4) The old card I never had problems with, only hit the low 70's a few times. the 280 I had for a while ran in the mid 60's and hit 70 once or twice. Also had a 4890 in for about a week, never paid too much attention but I don't think it passed 60.

            Normally, I leave the fans on auto. But since the heat kicked up set it to 60, 70, etc etc. Sorry, not setting it that high. Ran my 280+260 for a few weeks, 0 issues.

            The cooler on this card is garbage, I already know that. (anyone have a dead 55nm 260 the wanna sell lol?)

            Anyways, as far as running the slower card in the top, why is my bottom card running at it's OC speeds? Also logged the gpu/memory usaged on both cards, every now and then the bottom card will be using more memory, which I didn't think could happen or I'm just lost lol.

            Guess I might test it out a little when I roll back to the 190 drivers.
             
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              Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:07 PM (permalink)
              The reason the bottom card is running at its OC speeds is as follows:  It is an OC card.  In the card's bios  the default settings are 590/1296.  This is what the card will run at unless you change it, regardless of SLI or anything else.  This really isn't too important, regardless of your personal issues with "overclocking software,"  as you will be using 2*192 shaders with both cards doing the work at the speed of the 576/1242 card.  The cards need to synchronize, so the drivers find the highest common denominator, as it were, and give you the lower performance aspects of both of the cards.

              Your 216 card still HAS 216 shaders, but it will only utilize 192 of them when used in SLI with your 192 card.  Your 192 card still has the clocked settings of 590/1296, however, when used in SLI with the (hardly noticably) lower clocked 216 card, the 192 card will only perform as if it were clocked at 576/1242.

              This is how SLI has worked in times past, however it might have been changed in recent driver releases.  I haven't heard anything about it being altered, though, so that is what *I* would assume.  At any rate, if SLI is how it has always been, you will see no performance difference in SLI games by switching the cards' locations, and in single GPU games you will see only decrease in performance due to a lessening of shaders.

              Back to your original concern though, if heat is truly your main issue, just crank up the fan speeds more.  You could also take apart the card and reapply the thermal paste with something a little better, maybe replace the thermal pads, clean out the heat sink of any dust accumulation...

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                Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:58 PM (permalink)
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                ...This is how SLI has worked in times past, however it might have been changed in recent driver releases.  I haven't heard anything about it being altered, though, so that is what *I* would assume...

                Unfortunately, the behavior changed with the 178-series drivers. Neither card is forced to the other any longer, in either shader cores or clock speeds. Unless you're using Precision, RivaTuner, System Tools or any of the other software overclocking utilities, each card will run at its BIOS-assigned settings.
                 
                These changes were implemented not only for support of some of the "Big Bang" goodies, but to make it easier to incorporate the various models of GPUs that would be introduced once nVidia eased considerably on sticking to reference designs with their distribution partners.
                 
                ChrisRay, a member of the nVidia Focus Group and one of the Mods at the nVidia Hardware Forum's SLI Zone (as well as their benchmark guru), focused on this question when the 216-cores made their debut in his analysis of SLI with mixed-core GTX 260s.
                 
                Reduced to its salient points:
                 
                Placement of the cards is irrelevant save for one consideration: PhysX support. The added cores of the 216 mean a slight advantage in PhysX calculations. If you intend to run full SLI, then as long as it's enabled PhysX will be handled by the card in the primary slot. Keeping the stronger card there will help in the timing, as the rendering engine must wait on the GPU calculations in this case because the GPU has to switch contexts back-and-forth between rendering and co-processor modes. The stronger card would keep those timing requirements a bit tighter.
                 
                Unless you have a completely different card to which you can move PhysX, the only way to get it off the primary card and totally separate rendering from co-processing is to disable SLI. The timing requirements for CUDA support (which provides the PhysX) aren't near as restrictive now because the second GPU is completely designated for co-processing support while the primary does nothing but render, and PhysX doesn't directly affect the timing of the display driver.
                 
                This can come in handy for things like Batman: Arkham Asylum, where a GTX 260 can pretty much handle this DX-9 game by itself and you get much better PhysX support and smoother framerates - even in Tri- or Quad-SLI - with a dedicated co-processor. But you don't have to open up the NVCPL each and every time if you set the game's 3D Profile to run Single-GPU mode when SLI is called. Same thing. 
                 
                And here's where the info on PhysX comes from...
                 
                 
                edited to correct link...
                 
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                  Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:21 PM (permalink)
                  Very interesting, jaafaman, thank you for the enlightenment.  I'm not sure how that news flash skipped past me!  Made a moron out of me with a simple link to an old announcement...
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                    Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:50 PM (permalink)
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                    Very interesting, jaffaman, thank you for the enlightenment.  I'm not sure how that news flash skipped past me!  Made a moron out of me with a simple link to an old announcement...

                    That was far from my intent, and I apologize if that's the impression I made...
                     
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                      Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Saturday, January 23, 2010 5:01 PM (permalink)
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                      Very interesting, jaffaman, thank you for the enlightenment.  I'm not sure how that news flash skipped past me!  Made a moron out of me with a simple link to an old announcement...


                      lol don't feel bad I didn't know either, cause I'm not even on SLI yet, and I too thought they had to be synced in speeds.
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                        Re:Gtx 260 - 192/216 SLI Setup - Advice? Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:05 PM (permalink)
                        That is the info I was looking for but never could find it. Thx :)

                        Wish I would have read that before I decided to tear it apart lol. Oh well, it's looking like it might work out though.

                        Decided to go back to the 190 driver's, bad idea - screen flickering crap started up. So I swapped the cards, reloaded the 190's and worked my way through the flickering somehow. Was able to crank a few settings up in STO (shadows mainly). Pretty much all maxed out aside from a few settings that don't hit the perfomance but look crappy - lighting in game is a little touchy.

                        So I broke down and download precision and actually decided to match the 216 to the 192's speed. Left the fans on auto, played a while and ran a few benchmarks. Top card maxed at 74c and bottom at 71c - Fans never spun up past 51% :)

                        Then I come here to check the post lol. Didn't really think about the physx running better off the 216, but not to many games I play are to demanding on that. For some reason, and I might be way off here, but it seemed like everything wanted to use the old card for some reason.

                        Probably going to stick with the 190 drivers for now, at least until the cursor error gets fixed in STO. They are working pretty good but some of my other games crash right off the bat (SF4 mostly). Had to get the profile update from evga just to get sto and one of my benchmarks to run.

                        Aside from that, now the 192 (now the top card) will not go into 2d mode :( Bottom one does though. Probably going to leave it like this for now unless something pops up. Going to look for a better cooler in the meantime for the 216, then slap it back in the top slot.

                        Both cards running 590/1296 too :)
                         
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