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i am scared to use 191.07 - Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:21 PM ( #1 )
i keep seeing everyone having problems with it. should i use the 185.85 or the 191.07? can decide. i want something stableeeeee
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:25 PM ( #2 )
The only people having problems with the 191.07 driver are people with the E759 classified board.

I have never had a problem with the 191.07 driver, and there is a thread on Guru3d of people using the 191.07 driver that is 12 pages long of people saying its the best driver they have ever used. In reality the amount of people having issues with the 191.07 driver are probably less than 0.1% of the people using the driver.

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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:27 PM ( #3 )
good enough for me lol. ty
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:20 PM ( #4 )
the only problem i really had was this driver has a known conflict with Sims3..


pregnant wife loves sims3..
 
sims 3 crashes as a result of bad driver..

i dont hear the end of it..  

 "THAT FRICKEN COMPUTER DID IT AGAIN!! IT CRASHED WITH SIMS!!! YOU PAID HOW MUCH TO BUILD IT AND IT CANT EVEN RUN THAT GAME?! YEARHGGG!!!1"

..sigh..

190.62's to the rescue.. at least those dont crash quite as often with sims3..

 

 
 
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 8:09 AM ( #5 )
The 191.07 drivers hosed my 780i (nf200 chipset) and possibly my 8800 GTS (512) when running Windows 7 64.   So, I RMA'ed them both.    I decided that I'm dropping my gtx 275 into the rig once I get the board back.  I just hope that the drivers released prior to 191.07 play nice with my computer.

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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 8:39 AM ( #6 )
The 191.07 drivers would not work on both of my computers. The would artifact a small square box in the middle of my desktop from whatever the previous application was that had been opened. In fact all of the 19*.** drivers do it. I went back to 186.18 drivers that work flawlessly.

I messed with Nvidia about it for about two weeks and the end result with them was to wait until the next driver release that was going to address the issue. I sent them screen shots from both computers and system config files. Nothing showed up as an issue with either one of my machines.

Evga's solution for me was to RMA my GTS250 and my 9800GT. I don't see how I could all of a sudden have the same problem with two cards, with a problem that started at the same time, with the same drivers.

Since then I purchased a HD4870 that I don't regret buying. I was going to get a GTX260, until the driver issue.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 8:51 AM ( #7 )
I was using the 191.07's and they were great right up until I got a BSOD and I instantly uninstalled them as my mobo (750i FTW) does infact have an nf200 chip present on the board and I deemed myself to be at risk as that was the first BSOD I've ever had on my stable OC setting of 4.04ghz.

I've had no issues since but I've been happily rocking the 191.00BETA and all seems well, so no permenant damage if it was indeed the 191.07's that cause the visit from my BFF, Mr. BSOD.

worth a mention that the 195BETAs were awful for me ruining games like NFS shift and borderlands.



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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 8:59 AM ( #8 )
the only issues ive had with the 191.07 drivers was poor framerate in games...cod4/borderlands/fallout3 =/ couldnt even break 30-40 fps in any of those on max settings under the 191.07 drivers...but on the 190.62 100+ fps easy 1920x1080 16xaf app controlled aa so that is what im using now and works great

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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 9:02 AM ( #9 )
stay away from 191.07...that's my advise...
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 11:03 AM ( #10 )
This driver has been great for me on Windows 7 x64.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 2:27 PM ( #11 )
these drivers work like a charm for me.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 2:33 PM ( #12 )
191.07 has been very good for me.  No issues.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 2:54 PM ( #13 )
None of the 19x.xx drivers have been good for me, neither were beta 195.39.  I just unistalled them and went back to 186.18 for Vista.  Nvidia does have a page for beta and archived drivers you can download so not really that big a deal.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 5:03 PM ( #14 )
191.07 has been a great driver so far for me, knock on wood...lol
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 5:35 PM ( #15 )
Froze up my system when trying Left 4 Dead 2 demo, had to power cycle, it corrupted my Windows boot, had to do a repair install and then roll back the drivers. 
The same crash happened a month ago with Aion.  I didn't know about the driver issue, so I assumed it was a conflict with Aion and the new drivers.


Got a 780i MB, and a 9800GTX card, Windows 7 64 bit.  I will be staying away from 191.07!
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 6:05 PM ( #16 )
it was real hell for me
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 6:34 PM ( #17 )
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i keep seeing everyone having problems with it. should i use the 185.85 or the 191.07? can decide. i want something stableeeeee




There are MANY different drivers you can use!  If you are scared, why make this post and even consider the 191.07 drivers?  It doesn't make any sense.  The only way I can see any of this being necessary is if there is something "specific" in the change log that you "need" or really "want".

I hope there is.  Is there?

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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 6:35 PM ( #18 )
I'm still getting used to this forum

I meant to edit the above post with this below, but I hit quote instead but didn't realize it...


edit: Just to let you know of my experience with them.  Two of my x58 rigs with an EVGA core 216 in each both started to random shutdown and reboot on me with these drivers!!!!  I uninstalled them and put the 191.00 betas in one and 195.39 betas in the other.  Both give GREAT performance so try them.

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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 6:37 PM ( #19 )
Theonly problems that I have had with the 191.07 drivers are1 trashed E-759 and maybe 2. And also 2 trashed 295+s. Only about $2000.00 of equipment trashed or rendered useless.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 8:33 PM ( #20 )
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Theonly problems that I have had with the 191.07 drivers are1 trashed E-759 and maybe 2. And also 2 trashed 295+s. Only about $2000.00 of equipment trashed or rendered useless.


Wow I have never heard of a video driver causing fatal damage. I have the E759 Classified and I'm rolling back baby......
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 8:48 PM ( #21 )
yeah apparently the problem with the 191.07 driver is it causes an overvolting issue with the NF200 chipset. and since the chipset is part of the pcie pathway it can cause some serious damage.  any and all gpu's connected can take damage as well as the mb itself.   a large number of 759 owners had this very problem with in hours of upgrading to the new driver.  they started having BSODs on proven stable systems..  

some were able to fix it by stripping their mb's down and pulling the bios chip, thus resetting it to base factory.. others were not so lucky.  even reflashing the bios didnt help in most cases..

the sad thing is this should have never happened in the first place.  Nvidia should have fully tested this driver on all the major chipsets out there BEFORE releasing it.   if they had they would have discovered the problem very quickly and fixed it.

 

 
 
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 9:10 PM ( #22 )
I can vouch that 185.85 is as stable as you can get. All new drivers will cause the dreaded "...and has recovered" crash when playing Source games.

And if you want 3D Vision Discover, the 186.16 drivers for 3D Vision DO work on 185.85.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 9:24 PM ( #23 )
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yeah apparently the problem with the 191.07 driver is it causes an overvolting issue with the NF200 chipset. and since the chipset is part of the pcie pathway it can cause some serious damage.  any and all gpu's connected can take damage as well as the mb itself.   a large number of 759 owners had this very problem with in hours of upgrading to the new driver.  they started having BSODs on proven stable systems..  

some were able to fix it by stripping their mb's down and pulling the bios chip, thus resetting it to base factory.. others were not so lucky.  even reflashing the bios didnt help in most cases..

the sad thing is this should have never happened in the first place.  Nvidia should have fully tested this driver on all the major chipsets out there BEFORE releasing it.   if they had they would have discovered the problem very quickly and fixed it.






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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Friday, November 06, 2009 11:35 PM ( #24 )
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yeah apparently the problem with the 191.07 driver is it causes an overvolting issue with the NF200 chipset. and since the chipset is part of the pcie pathway it can cause some serious damage.  any and all gpu's connected can take damage as well as the mb itself.   a large number of 759 owners had this very problem with in hours of upgrading to the new driver.  they started having BSODs on proven stable systems..  

...

the sad thing is this should have never happened in the first place.  Nvidia should have fully tested this driver on all the major chipsets out there BEFORE releasing it.   if they had they would have discovered the problem very quickly and fixed it.


How can you be sure the 191.07 is overvolting the NF200 and the PCI-E lanes? Can you please show us some documentation on that? And I dont mean the wild and crazy speculations that some people here (you know who you are) have been spreading around at the forums. Please present some hard evidence that shows the 191.07 is overvolting the NF200 and eating mobos for breakfast.

There are many people here and elsewhere that are using the 191.07 successfully with NF200 hardware. I have a 759 Classified with a 3-way GTX 280 and this is by far the best driver I have experienced from Nvidia. Ever. I had no problem from day one.

I am sorry for all of you that have problem with your hardware. I feel for you and I hope for the best. But please don't blame the driver and don't continue this spreading of rumors.

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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:10 AM ( #25 )
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yeah apparently the problem with the 191.07 driver is it causes an overvolting issue with the NF200 chipset. and since the chipset is part of the pcie pathway it can cause some serious damage.  any and all gpu's connected can take damage as well as the mb itself.   a large number of 759 owners had this very problem with in hours of upgrading to the new driver.  they started having BSODs on proven stable systems..  

...

the sad thing is this should have never happened in the first place.  Nvidia should have fully tested this driver on all the major chipsets out there BEFORE releasing it.   if they had they would have discovered the problem very quickly and fixed it.


How can you be sure the 191.07 is overvolting the NF200 and the PCI-E lanes? Can you please show us some documentation on that? And I dont mean the wild and crazy speculations that some people here (you know who you are) have been spreading around at the forums. Please present some hard evidence that shows the 191.07 is overvolting the NF200 and eating mobos for breakfast.

There are many people here and elsewhere that are using the 191.07 successfully with NF200 hardware. I have a 759 Classified with a 3-way GTX 280 and this is by far the best driver I have experienced from Nvidia. Ever. I had no problem from day one.

I am sorry for all of you that have problem with your hardware. I feel for you and I hope for the best. But please don't blame the driver and don't continue this spreading of rumors.


its all here..
 
http://www.evga.com/forumsarchive/tm.asp?m=100961981
 
page 11 post 325, 346 talk about it... 
 
also...
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read them.. and you will see alot of people had issues with the 191.07 drivers and the nf200 chipset.  and it was narrowed down to an overvoltage issue caused by the driver.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:25 AM ( #26 )
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its all here..
 
http://www.evga.com/forumsarchive/tm.asp?m=100961981
 
read it.. and you will see alot of people had issues with the 191.07 drivers and the nf200 chipset.  and it was narrowed down to an overvoltage issue caused by the driver.


Thanks, but that thread is the main source for speculations and spreading of rumors about the 191.07 driver. There is not one single shred of evidence in there that proves the 191.07 is overvolting the NF200 chipset. There are just a bunch of people making guesses. I am sorry some members have hardware problems but please don't blame the driver and present speculations and guesses as hard evidence. Just do the RMA and move on.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:44 AM ( #27 )
but the point is people with the nf200 chipset installed this driver and subsequently had hardware failures as a result.   

evga was able to replicate the problem..

this isnt an isolated issue its worldwide..  so sure run the driver with your nf200 chipset and if it fries your setup and you did nothing else but update the driver... hmmm its kinda obvious what caused it..  dont you think? 

so yeah you go and tell all the people who have had problems with their systems as a direct result of this driver and the nf200 chipset that all they need to do is rma it and move on..  ill sit back and eat popcorn when the bloodbath starts..
 
 
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#2Problem - the 191.07 drivers increases power draw. But not to a dangerous extent. Unless you have your card OCed very high. at my clocks of 774 on the gtx 285, it was enough to cause a spike and fritzed the card out. Strangely enough Nothing smelled funny. The cards just "died". In Iride4u's case, i believe instead of his cards giving, his PCIE/nf200chip on the board gave in.

When i tested with stock working GT8800s the spike on the voltmeter wasnt even there (though there was a bit of gain on the meter it can be accorded to a mechanical rounding).

Suggestion - stay away from these drivers if youve got some crazy OC going like me. These are indeed ticking timebombs. The more you stress it at a go the more probably you give the spikes to occur at high OCs. in my case. OCCT and constant furmark did it.
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:14 AM ( #28 )
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Thanks, but that thread is the main source for speculations and spreading of rumors about the 191.07 driver. There is not one single shred of evidence in there that proves the 191.07 is overvolting the NF200 chipset. There are just a bunch of people making guesses. I am sorry some members have hardware problems but please don't blame the driver and present speculations and guesses as hard evidence. Just do the RMA and move on.


if you've got an nf200 MOBO you may be at risk by this driver set... what the **** does it matter exactly what the reasoning was, aside from it was this set that caused the problems?

no offense but if you haven't been affected by this you should really keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself.

the fact remains that some folks with the nf200 MOBO's have had horrendous issues with the 191.07 drivers and it caused $1,000's worth of damage, it's worth people being aware of that fact alone.



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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:34 AM ( #29 )
There bad,couldn't play cod 1.Came up with an error
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Re:i am scared to use 191.07 - Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:34 AM ( #30 )
not just nf200's, 790i too.
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