Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock!

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jerkatlane

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Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:32 PM (permalink)
I have been running my Core i7 920 at 4.0Ghz stable for the last 3 years on a Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5.  I ran Prime95 on it for a week before I made it my official overclock.  I did get it to 4.2Ghz, but was nervous about the temps being over 80 degrees C at full load.  Three weeks ago, I thought about upgrading the X58 platform for SATA III and USB 3.0.  Two weeks ago I got the eVGA X58 FTW3 and cannot achieve even a minor overclock (2.8Ghz) stable over 10 minutes of Prime95.  I thought maybe my Corsair H50 was bad so I purchased an Antec Kuhler 620 and still not able to OC.  I read several forums and guides.   I'm a computer technician by trade and usually have no problems with overclocks.  I wanted to test stock stability and Prime95 ran for a week (just got back from vacation yesterday) and it was stable at stock CPU settings and RAM at 1066.  RAM is 1600 rated but system is not stable with XMP on profile 1 or 2.  I called eVGA and they said that my memory needs to be running at 1066 since I have a 1066 CPU.  I put everything back into my old setup and everything is stable.  I spent the previous week for hours trying to get stable overclocks.  I wonder if my motherboard is flaky?  Should I have just jumped to socket 2011?  Was this a waste of an upgrade?  I emailed eVGA and they will not help with overclocks (understandably).  Any other ideas?
 
 
Specs

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
APU: Asus Xonar DX 
 
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    loveha

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    Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:21 PM (permalink)
    Can you tell us your settings that you changed to try and get an overclock?
    Copy and paste this template here and adjust what you changed. You will not have some of the features in this template so go ahead and just delete them.
    It is possible you just got a bunk mobo. That is just the luck of the draw and not the first time I have seen it.

     
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      jerkatlane

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      Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:23 PM (permalink)
      Not sure what settings you want me to give.  I've started with this guide: http://www.evga.com/forumsarchive/tm.asp?m=716108&mpage=1&key and then used this one: http://www.overclock.net/t/538439/guide-to-overclocking-the-core-i7-920-or-930-to-4-0ghz.  I worked on those step by step and never made it over the 2.6Ghz stable.  Even the Dummy OC fails!  I can give you the settings from my other motherboard as to what I had for reference as to what I'm shooting for at a minimum.  If you have a good starting point that I'm missing, please do let me know.  Also, is there any concern with having 1.5v memory versus all of the other memory in OC guides using 1.65v?  I emailed Corsair and they said they would recommend not going over 1.60v.
       

      Frequency Control 
      CPU Clock Ratio ( 20x ) 
      CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ( 200 
      MCH Strap ( n/a ) 
      CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 3400Mhz { 17X } 
      CPU Clock Skew ( n/a ) 
      Spread Spectrum ( Disabled 
      PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( Auto ) 
      QPI Clock Ratio ( 7.2Ghz {x36} )

      Memory Feature         
      Memory Speed ( Disabled ) 
      Memory Control Setting ( Enabled ) 
      Memory Frequency ( 1600Mhz / SPD 8.0 
      Channel Interleave Setting ( Auto (6) 
      Rank Interleave Setting ( Auto (4) 
      Memory Low Gap ( n/a ) 
      tCL Setting ( 
      tRCD Setting ( 9 
      tRP Setting ( 9 ) 
      tRAS Setting ( 24 
      tRFC Setting ( Auto 
      Command Rate ( 2T 


      Voltage Control 
      Load Line Calibration ( Enabled ) 
      CPU VCore ( 1.375 ) 
      QPI/VTT Voltage ( 1.515 
      CPU PLL VCore ( Auto 1.8 
      IOH PLL VCore ( Auto 1.1 )  
      DIMM Voltage ( Auto 1.5 ) 
      DIMM DQ Vref ( Auto .75 
      QPI PLL VCore ( Auto 1.1 
      IOH VCore ( Auto 1.1 
      IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto 1.5 
      ICH VCore ( Auto 1.1 ) 

      CPU Feature 
      Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled ) 
      Turbo Mode Function ( Disabled ) 
      CxE Function ( Disabled ) 
      Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled 
      Virtualization Technology ( Enabled ) **I use VMs**
      Intel HT Technology ( Enabled ) 
      Active Processor Cores ( All ) 

      Specs

      OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
      CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
      CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
      Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
      RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
      GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
      HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
      HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
      DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
      BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
      PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
      Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
      Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
      APU: Asus Xonar DX 
       
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        jerkatlane

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        Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:56 PM (permalink)
        Interesting try tonight.  I always turned off the Turbo mode.  I left it on and tried 191 x 20 (21x in OS) and it failed at 1.28v CPU, and Prime95 failed.  I raised voltages to 1.3v on cpu and so far it hasn't crashed.  I'm just staring from the basics.  I think I had vacation head and wasn't thinking.  Will see what I can get and repost.  I did an IntelBurnTest 1 pass and now I will let it run overnight with Prime95 and see if it stays stable then work on getting RAM to 1600 and then OC video card.  I will repost final settings.
        Specs

        OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
        CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
        CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
        Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
        RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
        GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
        HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
        HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
        DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
        BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
        PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
        Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
        Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
        APU: Asus Xonar DX 
         
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          jerkatlane

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          Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:10 PM (permalink)
          Here is where I have it stable with 2 days on Prime 95.  Temps get to Max 81C Full Load and average Idle at 47C.  Ambient air has been high since we have been having 95-100F days this week.
           
          Mother Board ( EVGA X58 FTW3 ) 
          Drivers ( ?? ) 
          Bios ( 83 
          CPU ( Core i7 920 DO )
          CPU Cooler ( Antec Kuhler H20 620 
          Memory ( Corsair Vengeance 24GB 1600 9-9-9-24 
          PSU ( Corsair TX750 ) 
          GPU ( GTX 560 Ti SC x 1 ) 
          Drivers ( 301.42 ) 
          Operating System ( Windows 7 64 Ultimate SP1 


          Frequency Control 
          CPU Clock Ratio ( 20x (21X with Turbo On) ) 
          CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ( 191 
          MCH Strap ( Auto ) 
          CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 3252Mhz { 17X } 
          CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps ) 
          Spread Spectrum ( Disabled 
          PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 ) 


          Memory Feature         
          Memory Speed ( Standard ) 
          Memory Control Setting ( Enabled ) 
          Memory Frequency ( 1066Mhz / 2:8 
          Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way 
          Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way 
          Memory Low Gap ( Auto ) 
          tCL Setting ( Auto 
          tRCD Setting ( Auto 
          tRP Setting ( Auto ) 
          tRAS Setting ( Auto 
          tRFC Setting ( Auto 
          Command Rate ( Auto 


          Voltage Control 
          EVGA VDroop Control ( Without VDroop ) 
          CPU VCore ( 1.300 ) 
          CPU VTT Voltage ( +200 
          CPU PLL VCore ( Auto 
          DIMM Voltage ( 1.60 ) 
          DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV 
          QPI PLL VCore ( Auto 
          IOH VCore ( Auto 
          IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto 
          ICH VCore ( Auto ) 
          PWM Frequency ( 800Mhz 


          CPU Feature 
          Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled ) 
          Turbo Mode Function ( Enabled ) 
          CxE Function ( Disabled ) 
          Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled 
          Virtualization Technology ( Enabled ) **I Use VM's**
          Intel HT Technology ( Enabled ) 
          Active Processor Cores ( All ) 
          QPI Control Settings ( Enabled 
          QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled 
          QPI Frequency Selection ( 4.800 GT/s ) 
          OC Recorvery ( Enabled 

          PnP/PCI     PCI Express 
          Maximum Payload Size ( 512 
          Specs

          OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
          CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
          CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
          Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
          RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
          GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
          HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
          HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
          DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
          BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
          PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
          Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
          Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
          APU: Asus Xonar DX 
           
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            jerkatlane

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            Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:27 PM (permalink)
            I'd like to get my RAM to 1600 stable and push to 4.2Ghz stable with low temps, maybe 4.5Ghz for bragging rights ;).  After that I can get my video card back to 1000Mhz. I put it back to stock 900Mhz so I can get everything else stable.
            Couple quick questions:
            1. HT on or off?  I'm a gamer and a power user with testing VM's.  I read that turning it off gets cooler temps and higher overclocks.  That is how most 920's can get over 4.5Ghz stable.
            2. PnP/PCI Max Payload Size.  What size?  Does it take away actual RAM usage?  If so, why on use max if it helps performance since I have 24GB RAM? Correct me if I misunderstand this feature.
            3. Should I push my QPI Freq to 6.4?  I had it there on the other mobo.
            4.  How do most people with on air or similar water coolers (Corsair H50/H60, Antec 620/920) get lower temps that what I have?  I have 2 Antec 120MM push-pull exhaust on radiator, exhaust stock fan GPU, 1 120MM exhaust PSU, and 1 200MM top fan.  One Thermaltake 120mm intake fan on side panel and two Antec 120MM stock front panel.  All on high and 100% on a NZXT Sentry 2 fan controller.
            5. RAM Timings.  When I try to set them to 1600 9-9-9-24-2T @ 1.5v system fails.  I raised the voltage to 1.6v and still fails (as you can see I forgot to set that setting back to 1.5v above).  System is stable at 1066.  This is OC'able RAM and should be able to push it.  Is the 1066 memory controller on my 920 causing the issues?
             
            Thanks in advance for the help guys!
            Specs

            OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
            CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
            CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
            Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
            RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
            GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
            HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
            HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
            DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
            BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
            PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
            Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
            Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
            APU: Asus Xonar DX 
             
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              Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:39 PM (permalink)
              1. I run with it on. I do Folding @ Home so I need all the power I can get. Not sure how much processing power VM's take but once we figure out why you can't overclock I suggest you try on and off.
               
              2. No idea, I set it to the largest size and forget about.
               
              3. No need, leave it on auto or set it manually to 4.8
               
              4. Ambient room temperature? Types of fans, can be many reasons, link to your fans would help in figuring that one out. If they are just some stock fans from something that could be part of the issue.
               
              5. My guess is it is your IMC. Doesn't like the load you are giving it. Increase CPU VTT to +300. Maybe even higher, like +350

               
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                jerkatlane

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                Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:29 PM (permalink)
                Thx!  I'll try that and report back.  I'll give a list of the fans in my system with links.
                Specs

                OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
                CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
                CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
                Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
                RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
                GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
                HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
                HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
                DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
                BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
                PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
                Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
                Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
                APU: Asus Xonar DX 
                 
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                  jerkatlane

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                  Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:26 PM (permalink)
                  LOL! Well... I'm on my tablet replying to this. My system was in the middle of first Prime95 run after changing RAM settings and voltages... it ran for about 30 mins and temps were getting to 85C and then it just shut off. I have a blue light and a yellow light by the RAM modules but nothing else. Tried to restart and nothing. Turned PSU on and off and still nada! Maybe I have a bad motherboard? I'll pull everything back out and put back on my old Gigabyte mobo since I'm dead in the water. I give it another 30 mins just in case it is a temp issue. I tried the CMOS reset button first and then fans come on but no post LED display.. time to swap mobo. Ah, the joys of geekdom! ;)
                  Specs

                  OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
                  CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
                  CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
                  Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
                  RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
                  GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
                  HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
                  HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
                  DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
                  BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
                  PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
                  Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
                  Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
                  APU: Asus Xonar DX 
                   
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                    jerkatlane

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                    Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:17 PM (permalink)
                    Bad motherboard. Gigabyte fired right up. On hold with eVGA for an RMA... bummer.
                    Specs

                    OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
                    CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
                    CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
                    Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
                    RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
                    GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
                    HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
                    HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
                    DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
                    BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
                    PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
                    Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
                    Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
                    APU: Asus Xonar DX 
                     
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                      jimmycricket

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                      Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:09 AM (permalink)
                      EVGA seems to have bad QC on their b-stock board
                      I've gone through 3 boards already in less then a year and getting ready to 4th from them 
                       
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                        jerkatlane

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                        Re:Is the x58 FTW3 worth the upgrade? Cannot overclock! Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:37 AM (permalink)
                        I did see that on NewEgg's website. I purchased this new, not refurb. They did tell me that they will hand test a new board and they did give me a pre-paid UPS shipping label. They said they are not sending me a refurb since I am within the 30 days of purchase. I knew the board was wonky as to usually I'm pretty good at OC'ing. I'll post back with the new stable settings and maybe I can go a little higher on my OC with some help. Thanks for the post! ;)
                        Specs

                        OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit 
                        CPU:Intel Core i7 920 Revision D0 Batch # 3938A508
                        CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Push-Pull Exhaust with Arctic Silver 5
                        Mobo: eVGA X58 FTW3 on latest BIOS 83
                        RAM: Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) 1600 1.5v
                        GPU: eVGA GTX 560 Ti Super Clocked 
                        HD: Seagate 3TB SATA III Data Drive
                        HD: OCZ Vertex 128GB SATA III SSD Boot Drive 
                        DVDRW: LG DVD Burner SATA II
                        BRDVD: LG Blue Ray Drive SATA II 
                        PSU: Corsair TX750 750W
                        Monitor: HP 25" LCD 2511x / HP 22" w2207 
                        Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two
                        APU: Asus Xonar DX 
                         
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