Hey guys,
Still trying to churn some WU out here...
I downloaded the Jedi Tracker on my home PC (Mod Rigs)... It's got a i7 960 in it.
Here's my problem, or at least what I think is a problem...
I started folding Friday around 12:30PM via SMP - started via Windows Remote Desktop (Cannot fold using GPU via remote desktop as the Jedi tracker will only recognize the Windows RDP driver and not the video card in the remote computer). Sunday I come home expecting to have at least 20k points... My PPD when I left stated 14+k. So I'm confused as to why I got home and only have 8k points total for the whole weekend.
Any idea what could be going on here? Do you think RDP is messing with it? I know the PC churned all weekend as my core temps didn't drop below 94 C.
 
Any ideas to try here?
Thanks everyone!
-Pricky

Thermal throttling. Your chip is running WAY to hot. Core temps should be in the low 70s for 24/7 100% load.

vD_Edition


Thermal throttling. Your chip is running WAY to hot. Core temps should be in the low 70s for 24/7 100% load.

+10000000000000000000
degrees!!
 
waaaaayyyy too
 HOT!!

Wow, well that explains a bit. LOL! I hope I didn't fry anything!
 
I'm using a stock cooler on the chip... Is that something that needs to be upgraded before folding, or is there possibly something wrong with the TMI application leading to the reason why it's overheating?
 
I accidently left my AC running all weekend while I wasn't at home, so the room temp didn't get above 71 degrees...
My vid-ya cards averages at about 82 degrees, but I suspect that is normal for a superclocked card.
Thanks guys!
-Pricky

TigerDeath


Wow, well that explains a bit. LOL! I hope I didn't fry anything!

I'm using a stock cooler on the chip... Is that something that needs to be upgraded before folding, or is there possibly something wrong with the TMI application leading to the reason why it's overheating?

I accidently left my AC running all weekend while I wasn't at home, so the room temp didn't get above 71 degrees...
My vid-ya cards averages at about 82 degrees, but I suspect that is normal for a superclocked card.
Thanks guys!
-Pricky

Yes, get rid of the stock cooler. The Coolermaster Hyper 212+ coolers work great on the 960. http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=RR-B10-212P-G1-R I would know, have that particular combo on one rig right now!
Your GPU temp is ok.
 

mflanaga

TigerDeath


Wow, well that explains a bit. LOL! I hope I didn't fry anything!

I'm using a stock cooler on the chip... Is that something that needs to be upgraded before folding, or is there possibly something wrong with the TMI application leading to the reason why it's overheating?

I accidently left my AC running all weekend while I wasn't at home, so the room temp didn't get above 71 degrees...
My vid-ya cards averages at about 82 degrees, but I suspect that is normal for a superclocked card.
Thanks guys!
-Pricky

Yes, get rid of the stock cooler. The Coolermaster Hyper 212+ coolers work great on the 960. http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=RR-B10-212P-G1-R I would know, have that particular combo on one rig right now!
Your GPU temp is ok.

+1 on the 212+ and they're pretty cheap. You could check Cooler Master's site for a refurbished one. They're just returns usually, and you can catch them for $10 sometimes.

Definitely thermaling out.  I know it's no i7, but I've run Core 2 Quads that would do that pretty nastily. (we're talking a 2.83 throttling down to 800mhz to save itself.  What happened for me?  A CPU fan failure on a heatsink with sufficient mass for idle and mild load, but not enough for folding)
 
The 212+ works good (got a friend who owns one), should keep your rig happy.

I'm a big fan of Noctua coolers FYI.

Oh that's nice right there. . . :)
Great price too.
Has me wondering if it will fit in my case.
I have a Cooler Master RC-330-KKR1 case that has a port for the CPU airflow. I have it configured as such it pulls cool air in from the outside and places it directly on top of the CPU, which is easy to do since the case has a 'pipe' of sort that allows you to channel that air.
 I totally dig the Coolermaster Hyper 212+, but to install it (if it will fit in the case), I would have to remove all of the stuff that's built into the case.
I'll double check all of the dimensions for this heatsink and see if I can get something on order.
Thanks a million guys! This could fix some of the "glitchy-ness" I've seen with this computer!
 

Your case has a maximum CPU heatsink clearance of 166.6mm.
The Hyper 212+ is 158.8mm high, so it will fit nicely
 
Some additional advice, grad a second 120mm fan for the cooler.  The kit includes brackets for it, and it makes a huge difference adding it.
 
If you have not already installed a fan in the front of that case, do so,that will also make a big difference.
 
Don't worry about taking that tube off the side panel.  It's desgned to help the stock cooler (which is rubbish, as you have found out).  It's easy to take off.
 
If you still have funds available after that, consider replacing the stock rear fan with something a bit more powerful.
 
 

Second attempt at this post.
The Hyper 212+ will fit in your case. It's 158.8mm high and your case,
once you remove the old air guide pipe, has a CPU cooler clearance of
166.6mm.  Removing the air guide pipe is easy and should only take a
minute.
I would also recommend getting a second fan for the 212+
(the cooler comes with a mounting kit for a second fan)
 
Some information to help you apply the TIM properly
Guide for applying TIM to your CPU.
You also need to tint the cooler before you mount it.
You can use these guides no matter which TIM you
decide to use.
 
Cleaning the CPU and Heatsink properly is very important.  Consider
buying this cleaning kit to make sure you get it right.  The new
heatsink still needs to be cleaned before you tint it as the peel-off
plastic it is shipped with leaves a residue behind.
 
Additionally, if you have not added a fan to the front of your case,
do so ASAP, that will help cooling considerably.
 
A shopping list for you
Coolermaster Hyper 212+     $29.99    $19.00 after MIR
Thermal Interface Material    $ 6.99
CPU cleaning kit                 $ 8.99
Case & cooler fan    $4.99ea $10.00
                            Total    $55.97 less $10 MIR
                                       $45.97
 
if you have a spare $5 get a third case fan and replace the stock rear exhaust fan.
 
hope this helps keep you cool
 
 
 

Wow, I can''t say enough, Simba123! Thank you so much!
I'm getting the Hyper212+ from Geeks.com (can't beat 13$ anywhere I've looked!) and am looking at these case fan additions:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8147/fan-500/Delta_Mega_Fast_120mm_x_38mm_Fan_-_252_CFM_-_Bare_Lead_PFB1212UHE-F00.html
I've heard Delta is one of the best (thanks to post: http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=592209)
 
I'm thinking two of the 252CFM fans - one in the front and one in the rear.
With my current case, the fans that are in it, and the way I've got everything designed, I've got a positive air-pressure case. I'd like to keep it that way because I've had MINIMAL problems with dust with this setup. What are your thoughts about the additions?
PS: Just ordered the GTX 670 (PN: 04G-P4-2673-KR), so this will be replacing the current GTX 260SC that's in the system before weeks end.

Just one thing about those Delta's... they are really loud, like a shop vac sitting on your desk. Read some of the newegg comments on the noise level of those fans first.
 
I bought 1 of those aluminum San Ace Denki 6200rpm fans and wow, about 8 seconds to spool up to full speed, and I could hear it in my computer room upstairs, from downstairs with the door closed. Seriously.

 
Thanks dude, I was kind of thinking about the decibels but in my head I'd rather have a loud computer than a fried computer.
I will add there's a 48 port ProCurve GB switch sitting right next to my computer that is constantly churning packets... It's not exactly quiet I will say. :)
It would be nice to have a somewhat quiet computer though if I were to move everything that's making all that racket (such as the switch) into a closet one day.
Are there good quality fans that have the speed controllable via the EVGA motherboard that I could add into this case (that way I could crank them up for folding/gaming, but keep them under wraps otherwise)?

I'll see if I can link you to the guy I got my fans from. I believe he sold the Delta's also.
 
My Denki's had two pairs of wires comming from it, one power pair to plug into a power supply molex power connection, and the other was a PWM connector to control the speed via the motherboard's BIOS, or something like SpeedFan from your desktop, so no expensive 50 watt fan controller was needed. I could spool up to around 1k RPM's for normal use to 6200 for benchmarking, or the "wow" factor. The facial expressions after spooling one of those up at a LAN party, priceless, lol.
 
~iDreadnaught
 
*EDIT* w00t, 100th post

LOL! I bet so dude! Kind of like when you first turn on a C7000 blade chasis, I bet, LMAO!
 
Let me know what you find - I'll probably go with those.
Thanks iDreadnaught!

I was told not to plug the fans into the mobo. Can't remember why but I plugged them directly in the psu instead. 
 
A word of caution about air temp. The cpu cooler can only cool the cpu or gpu as much as the air is capable of holding the heat. Think of your computer as an expensive heater pumping hot air into the room. If  you don't have air circulation in the room (turned off AC for the weekend), then the heated air will be recirculated across the heatsink, making it more hotter, etc. This is also the case with water cooled systems because the heat is exchanged through a radiator just like a heatsink. Humidity also plays a part in it. My air is very dry so I typically run 90C with the gpu. As a result, if you leave the clients running over the weekend with the AC off, you may be asking for trouble.
 
Turns out folding is not the only topic that is affected by humidity.

 

TigerDeath


Wow, I can''t say enough, Simba123! Thank you so much!
I'm getting the Hyper212+ from Geeks.com (can't beat 13$ anywhere I've looked!) and am looking at these case fan additions:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8147/fan-500/Delta_Mega_Fast_120mm_x_38mm_Fan_-_252_CFM_-_Bare_Lead_PFB1212UHE-F00.html
I've heard Delta is one of the best (thanks to post: http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=592209)

I'm thinking two of the 252CFM fans - one in the front and one in the rear.
With my current case, the fans that are in it, and the way I've got everything designed, I've got a positive air-pressure case. I'd like to keep it that way because I've had MINIMAL problems with dust with this setup. What are your thoughts about the additions?
PS: Just ordered the GTX 670 (PN: 04G-P4-2673-KR), so this will be replacing the current GTX 260SC that's in the system before weeks end.

 
No Problems, we try and help each other around here.
 
Those Deltas..... OMG! you will hate them.  they are extremely loud!  also, it won't fit in the front of your case.
only room for a 20mm in there.
 
If you have enough cash to think about buying a pair of Deltas, do yourself a favor and buy a better case. 
There are many to be had for under $100, and they will serve you much better than that 330!
 
Because I have one (check my ModsRigs) I can easily recommend the Coolermaster 692 advanced. 
It has plenty of room, plenty of fan options and has a nice solid build. Currently $90 at Newegg.com
 
Unless you live in death valley, you don't need Deltas. 
Keeping a good flow going is important, but you don't need a hurricane going on inside your case.  
A case with more fan options means you don't need to have loud fans.
I have fully populated my case with 7 case fans, plus the fans on the graphics cards and PSU and you can still barely here it 30" away, even under load.
 
If you don't want a new case, you still don't need Deltas, those $5 fans I recommended will do a perfect job of keeping your setup cool, without shouting about it. 
 
Also, unless I'm reading it wrong, your current setup is a single case exhaust fan and the PSU fan which is pulling from inside the case.  That means you actually have a negative pressure setup, which is why you need to add a fan to the front panel.
 
 
 

 
Alrighty everyone, a day later and a dollar shorter... But I got the cooling.
Folded all night using the SMP on Jedi's tracker and CPU average is 66 degrees right now - A LOT COOLER - and it looks like PPD = 13,109 (I don't know if that is about right for a Bloomfield 3.20GHz)! I can't believe it made that much difference, but wow you guys! You totally SAVED MY SYSTEM! THANK YOU!
That being said, I also have a GTX 670 installed now and I don't think it's working correctly.
PPD is 7,924 per Jedi's tracker and I don't think that's right. Anyone got any ideas as to if this is "average" for a brand new [almost] top of the line card?
How far can I push this system given the current setup and what do I do from here?
I do have 6GB of PC1600 Corsair Dominator installed, but I have, at my disposal, 12GB of GSkil PC-1600 that I removed from the system because I think it may have been causing some weird bugs (but that could have also been the heat too). I don't think increasing the memory will prove useful for folding, but figured I would throw it out there and see what I get back.
Thanks for all the help guys!
-Duane

What cooling did you end up getting?
glad it's reduced the temps on your CPU.
 
unless you actually need the 12 gigsof ram, just leave it at 6 gig,which is more than enough for 99.9% of users, and is definitely enough for gaming/folding.
 
The current folding core is not designed for use on Kepler cards, it was designed for Fermi.  Hopefully soon there will be a proper Kepler core.
 
That said, 8k ppd seems a bit low, but it does depend on what workunit you are folding.  there is a large difference in PPD between some of them.
 
Which unit are you folding for that ppd?  Also what Nvidia driver version are you running?
 

Hey Simba, ended up getting the Coolermaster 212+ you guys recommended from geeks.com - glad I did that.
 
No reason to have 12GB right now. I may eventurally make that computer a VM host at which time I will probably install all the memroy I have in it just to allow each VM to have enough "umff".
 
As for the work unit...
I believe it is Gromacs - does that sound correct? Am I looking in the right spot for that? I checked all of the log files in the SMP folder for the tracker, but that was all I found. Let me know what you think!
Thank you so much!
-Pricky
 

Sorry dude, I was supposed to be getting a link to the guy that I got my fans from, his ebay name is eloot.
 
http://stores.ebay.com/El...;_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
 
He doesn't seem to have the 6.2k rpm Denki's that I bought anymore, but  he still has the 4800rpm Denki's though, but if you look at the pic, you can see what I mean about the two pairs of wires.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N...mp;hash=item1e6c5b298f
 
He also has the 5.5krpm Delta's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N...mp;hash=item1e639ab74a

Lol, it's all good dude. I actually didn't think about this, but I have about 20 PC's at work that we need to "recycle". I'll pull a few fans out of them to help out for now and see what they do. Try to get a positive pressure system going here... :)
 
EDIT:
Just pulled out 2 - SUPERRED CHD9212EB-AH(E) fans (talk about off-brand, LOL!) from some computers that were going to the recycle bin here and a temprature sensor, though I'm not sure if I can use the temprature sensor, I should be able to put the fans in my case no problems. Looks like they're about 3300 RPM fans and they actually run about $30 a piece, which I thought was weird since they seem kind of "off brand". I guess they did come from IBM/Lenovo Desktops, so they may actually be alright quality.
I'll guess we'll see what they do. Thanks everyone!
 

Hyper 212+ is the best bang for buck cooler out there by far!
 
Gromacs is the core program that drives folding.  What you need to look at is located here; in the Project column.
In time you'll learn what PPD to expect from different projects,
but post 'em up and we'll let you know if it sounds reasonable or not.
 

Sweet! I'm pretty amazed this thing made that much of a difference!
 
Gromacs is the core huh? Gosh I feel like a newb. LOL!

 
Here's my F@H printscreen. I guess this would mean project 7134 then, eh? Given that info, what should I expect from this thing?
I don't guess there's a point in even running the Kepler GPU here, is there?
Is it going to fold anything or is it completely incompatible with the card?
 

Thanks dude!
-Pricky
 

you can run a Kepler card, it just won't run to it's full potential at the moment. 
There is a guide here as to how to get one running in Tracker if you want to give it a go.
Have you overclocked your chip at all? and are you running with hyperthreading on or off?
 
That ppd looks a tad low for the CPU, I can't be sure though as I've never run a 960. 
 
Is that GPU you are running at the moment your 670?
 
 
 

Hey Simba,
Thanks for the info!
I'll take a look at the guide sometime this week. It's going to be a crazy one so I'm not sure how far I'll make it.
As far as the CPU, I've never overclocked the chip. I have pushed the memory from the default PC-1333 to PC-1600, but outside of that there's not much going on. I would be open to small amounts of OC, but I definitely don't want to risk my chip over this - yet anyways. Let's wait until I get my next chip before I do that (ETA-unknown). That being said, I'm not even sure what would be a slight change for the 960.
 
The GPU in the pic is my 670. Is that normal? :)
Thanks dude!

Howdy. If you already have your 670 folding, you must have used that guide at some point, because otherwise that card will not fold under V2 Tracker.
PPD wise it looks ok. that workunit is a bit of a low-slow pointer.
 
 

Hey Simba,
I promise I didn't do anything out of the ordinary for the pic. I downloaded the default v2 Tracker from Jedi and went through the setup. I tried to "auto-detect" the GPU, but it said there was an error, then it popped up a box that said I had a GTX670 Superclocked and asked if I would like to use those settings, which I said yes to. Then I launched it and it started folding.
Interesting, eh?
No guides here, I promise.
-Duane
 

Yeah, the new modified tracker released earlier this month from Jedi is supposed to auto-detect the Kepler GPU's so you wouldn't need to modify the client.cfg file. Previously, there were some extra steps required to get those babies cookin'.