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kckinwa

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Please Help! Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:54 PM (permalink)
Ok so I am new to folding and love it, though it would seem that I have a couple of issues on a few different machines. To start I have my main system which consists of :
Antec 1200
Rosewill RBR100-m PSU
EVGA 131-GT-E767-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 SLI 3
EVGA 01G-P3-1561-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB 
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz OC to 3.7
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB TR3X6G1600C8D X2 12g total
2 Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III in raid O
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s
ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS
ASUS Black 8MB Cache SATA Blu-ray Burner BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS
Corsair H50 Liquid CPU cooler
Samsung Sync Master 24" LCD 1080P 60HZ Monitor 
WEI 7.7 on CPU 7.9 on the rest.

Sorry this is a copy and paste from my newegg reviews.
 
The issue with this PC is that when I fold running the GPU and CPU my computer slows way down and my mouse point and click and drag is jumpy plus it can take forever ( 3-5 seconds ) when I click on a program or browser. Now when I turn off the GPU or pause it I regain my speed and all is well. This I would like to fix. Running at about 49 Celsius according to the debug lcd on the motherboard. 
 
My second PC Is Evga X58 sli with a i7 920 not OC'd also with a Corsair H50 and a gtx 260 with a WD Veloci 300 gig and  a BFG 550 Watt PSU. Now this PC is the opposite when I run just the GPU it runs fine but when I run the GPU and the CPU it will after awhile just freeze and I have to hard reset, it will not even let me CNTL ALT DEL, also on restart I am not notified of a problem and it does not ask me if I would like to start in safe mode, its almost as if my usb ports for the mouse and keyboard failed. Oh and it does not run slow with both running. This I also would like to fix . Running at about 60 Celsius according to the debug lcd on the motherboard.
 
Any help would be a huge help. I would like to be at top performance for the Apes contest.
 
Thanks,
 
Casey



 
 
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    Re:Please Help! Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:07 PM (permalink)
    Anyone??????



     
     
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      Re:Please Help! Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:11 PM (permalink)
      if I had to guess on the second unit -Id look at ram
      run some stress testing on the cpu and ram
       
      the first unit  -is pretty much go
      if you are using smp on all cores you could try smp -6 instead and see if that helps on the first - to get rid of lag
       
      if you want to overclock them for improved performance numbers others here will be able to guide you on the X58 boards
       
       
         


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        Re:Please Help! Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:21 PM (permalink)
        The freezing on rig 2 sounds more like a stability issue, or the psu not having enough power.
         
        As for the lag, do you have windows Aero enabled or disabled. If its disabled try enabling it. That should give back your desktop performance. Other than that, it just may be that the wu is taxing your gpu more.

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          Re:Please Help! Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:55 PM (permalink)
          Barbarossa


          The freezing on rig 2 sounds more like a stability issue, or the psu not having enough power.

          As for the lag, do you have windows Aero enabled or disabled. If its disabled try enabling it. That should give back your desktop performance. Other than that, it just may be that the wu is taxing your gpu more.

          I find that so strange that enabling it stops the lag
           
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            Re:Please Help! Thursday, May 03, 2012 1:36 AM (permalink)
            Ok its how the vid cards work at folding a 260 is different then a 560. If you change the cards around that lag will go where the 560 is.Think it has something to do with fermi on 500 cards where the gtx 260 don't have it . My 560 lags out  doing any thing when its folding but my 260= no lag or very little.
             I will move my 560 to other computer at start of the CC just so I can keep folding on gpu well using this comp.
             
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              Re:Please Help! Thursday, May 03, 2012 5:46 AM (permalink)
              My 580 (primary gpu) lags my computer really bad also when folding, but I can actually game with smp-8 + the 550 running, no lag at all.

               

               
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                Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 6:18 AM (permalink)
                What should my settings be to get the most bang for my system. The FAH default is smp2 should I change this to smp4 or maybe more? Please advise.
                 
                Thanks,
                 
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                  Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 7:59 AM (permalink)
                  both system you have can do smp -8
                  (provided you have hyperthreading on  in BIOS)
                   
                  I use FAH GPU tracker V2 which I find very easy to use
                   
                   
                     


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                    Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 5:41 PM (permalink)
                    Ok! thank you. So I changed my settings on my main system to smp8 but I notice no difference, or should I notice anything? will this speed up the fold?
                    As for the second one I think I need to add some memory, it currently only has 2 gigs. My plan is to put 24 gigs of Mushkin redline in my main system and put the 12 gigs of Corsair Dominator in the other, this should, I hope, stop the whole freezing issue on that computer. Thanks again for the help.
                     
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                      Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 5:47 PM (permalink)
                      Oh yes and another issue..... For some reason on my second system the points are always unknown... whats up with that. The PPD is also unknown. 



                       
                       
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                        Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 6:08 PM (permalink)
                        are you using the console version V6 from stanford, or V7 or FAH GPU tracker?
                         
                        if you are using FAH gpu tracker you need to update the project list
                         
                         
                         
                         
                           


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                          Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 6:12 PM (permalink)
                          I am using the version that it came with. I have not downloaded anything but the FAH program. How do you go about updating the project list, as I do not see this as a option.



                           
                           
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                            Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 6:32 PM (permalink)
                            if you got the one here
                            http://www.evga.com/folding/download.asp
                             
                            those are older clients
                            http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Download
                             
                             
                             
                            FAH gpu tracker 
                            http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=219556
                             
                            Stanfords V7
                            http://folding.stanford.edu/English/HomePage
                            http://folding.stanford.edu/English/WinGuide
                             
                            I use FAH GPU tracker
                             
                             
                            if you are using an old client you might want to try FAH gpu tracker or V7
                             
                               


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                              Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 6:35 PM (permalink)
                              I am using the latest version.
                               



                               
                               
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                                Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 6:56 PM (permalink)
                                kckinwa, can you take a screenshot of the folding program you are using, upload it to ImageShack and then
                                post the link?  (you will need to type the link in without the www at the beginning because these forums don't let you post links until you have 50 posts.
                                 
                                Regarding your Ram, I'm not an expert on X58 boards, but if I recall loading them up with that much ram - 24GB- can cause stability issues with your overclock, plus overheating your northbridge.
                                8-12 gigs is more than sufficient for Folding.
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                    


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                                  Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 7:10 PM (permalink)
                                  So my sli 3 is not capable of handling the advertised 24 gigs
                                  imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/42582397.png/



                                   
                                   
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                                    Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 7:21 PM (permalink)
                                    ok, so you are using the V7 client.
                                     
                                    can you upload a higher res image so I can see the
                                    numbers? 
                                    if you take a screen shot, post it into paint and choose save as a .jpg image, it should have enough resolution so we can see whats going on.
                                     
                                        


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                                      Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 7:30 PM (permalink)
                                      That  was a .jpg image



                                       
                                       
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                                        Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 7:36 PM (permalink)



                                         
                                         
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                                          Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 7:55 PM (permalink)
                                           
                                          That's better!
                                          ok CPU number looks ok, low but I think thats once of the low ppd units you have at the moment.
                                          GPU is way low. 
                                           
                                          sometimes the client won't pick up changes in core numbers until it starts a new workunit.  What I would do is set both slots to 'finish'
                                          once they have done, exit out of V7. 
                                          restart your computer (just because)
                                          then restart v7 and see what ppd you get.  You should certainly be getting more than 14108ppd from that rig!
                                           
                                          Things to test
                                          1. Try just running the SMP slot on it's own.
                                          go into Task Manager or Resource Monitor via the Control Panel and make sure that all the cores are loaded to 100%
                                          note your ppd (also what workunit you are running, some give a lot less ppd than others)
                                          note: wait until the unit has reached at least 10% before noting the ppd.
                                           
                                          2. once you have recorded you PPD running SMP only, click start on your GPU slot.  again wait until the SMP has gone up another 10%, the not the ppd of each slot.
                                           
                                          The SMP slot should drop a bit because the GPU is taking cpu cycles, but overall your ppd should increase. 
                                           
                                          post back when you have results!
                                           
                                          <edit> if you have anything running in the background (itunes, bitTorrent etc) turn them off. Also try turning off your screen and just leave your machine alone for a few hours.  It is amazing how much just browsing can affect your PPD.
                                           
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                                            Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 8:16 PM (permalink)
                                            With just the smp running my PPD is around between 6500 and 10000. With the GPU and smp running it bounces between 10000 and 25000 I guess depending on the the work units. Should I be getting more than this. I just really hate the lag with the GPU running. As for the second system I will try adding more ram and see if the freezing stops.



                                             
                                             
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                                              Re:Please Help! Friday, May 04, 2012 8:34 PM (permalink)
                                              Ok so here also is my second system and oh yeah I am running the win8 on that one http://imageshack.us/phot...mages/23/99258544.png/ as you can see the PPD are terrible on this one. Really weird I just noticed that I only received like 2000 points since midnight last night and I have 3 sytems folding. That is not possible especially considering that I should be getting like at least 20,000 in 12 hours something is not right.
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                                                Re:Please Help! Saturday, May 05, 2012 12:36 AM (permalink)
                                                do you have a passkey?
                                                 
                                                    


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                                                  Re:Please Help! Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:25 AM (permalink)
                                                  Yes I do have a passkey.
                                                  Here is a log of some errors not sure whats going on.
                                                   
                                                  ******************************** Date: 04/05/12 ********************************06:36:22:WARNING:WU00:FS01:Exception: Failed to send results to work server: 10002: Received short response, expected 512 bytes, got 006:41:52:ERROR:WU00:FS01:Exception: 10002: Received short response, expected 512 bytes, got 006:47:14:WARNING:WU00:FS01:Exception: Failed to send results to work server: 10002: Received short response, expected 512 bytes, got 0******************************** Date: 04/05/12 ********************************12:24:40:WARNING:WU01:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates******************************** Date: 04/05/12 **************************************************************** Date: 04/05/12 **************************************************************** Date: 05/05/12 ********************************01:56:31:WARNING:WU01:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates02:12:48:WARNING:WU01:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates03:40:25:WARNING:WU01:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates******************************** Date: 05/05/12 ********************************11:43:00:WARNING:WU02:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates******************************** Date: 05/05/12 ********************************15:00:59:WARNING:WU02:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates******************************** Date: 05/05/12 ********************************20:13:26:WARNING:WU00:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates20:53:47:WARNING:WU00:FS00:Detected clock skew, adjusting time estimates
                                                  <message edited by kckinwa on Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:20 PM>



                                                   
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Please Help! Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:41 AM (permalink)
                                                    I finally figured out how to see if windows aero is enabled lol. And yes it is enabled, the lag is extremely annoying its like using an apple 2e again it is so slow, almost not worth folding on my gpu, but that is were the big points come from. There has got to be a resolution to this problem as there must be other 560 users folding.......I got it I just need to convince my wife that I need to get another 560ti.....after all it's for humanity right.....



                                                     
                                                     
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                                                      Re:Please Help! Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:35 PM (permalink)
                                                      hmmm
                                                      go to your log, select all and place inside the following
                                                      without the *
                                                      [*code]
                                                      paste your logfile here
                                                      [*/code]
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                          


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                                                        Re:Please Help! Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:41 PM (permalink)
                                                        Sorry I am not that advanced and a bit confused by your instructions. You want me to deselect the warnings and errors box as I do not have a all option.  I am not sure what [*/code]  is.



                                                         
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Please Help! Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:56 PM (permalink)
                                                          don't use the * sign(in  those [....] )  and use the snippet he gave you to put the logfile in
                                                           
                                                          like
                                                          {code}
                                                              section of your logfile
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                                                            Re:Please Help! Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:57 PM (permalink)
                                                            if you type in
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                                                            [*/code] 
                                                            and remove the *
                                                            what you get is a nice scrollable text box like this
                                                             this is the only text file I have on this laptop I'm currently using.   Checking file system on C:
                                                            The type of the file system is NTFS.
                                                            Volume label is Windows7_OS.
                                                            
                                                            A disk check has been scheduled.
                                                            Windows will now check the disk.                         
                                                            
                                                            CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)...
                                                            Read failure with status 0xc00000b5 at offset 0xc1764000 for 0x1000 bytes.
                                                            File record segment 23952 is unreadable.
                                                            Read failure with status 0xc00000b5 at offset 0xc1764000 for 0x1000 bytes.
                                                            File record segment 23953 is unreadable.
                                                            Read failure with status 0xc00000b5 at offset 0xc1764000 for 0x1000 bytes.
                                                            File record segment 23954 is unreadable.
                                                            Read failure with status 0xc00000b5 at offset 0xc1764000 for 0x1000 bytes.
                                                            File record segment 23955 is unreadable.
                                                              124672 file records processed.                                          File verification completed.
                                                              141 large file records processed.                                    Read failure with status 0xc00000b5 at offset 0xc1764800 for 0x400 bytes.
                                                              4 bad file records processed.                                        0 EA records processed.                                              44 reparse records processed.                                       CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)...
                                                            Index entry home2.aspx of index $I30 in file 0x25d9 points to unused file 0x5d92.
                                                            Deleting index entry home2.aspx in index $I30 of file 9689.
                                                            Index entry HOME2~1.ASP of index $I30 in file 0x25d9 points to unused file 0x5d92.
                                                            Deleting index entry HOME2~1.ASP in index $I30 of file 9689.
                                                              173288 index entries processed.                                         Index verification completed.
                                                            CHKDSK is scanning unindexed files for reconnect to their original directory.
                                                              3 unindexed files scanned.                                           0 unindexed files recovered.                                       CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)...
                                                              124672 file SDs/SIDs processed.                                         Cleaning up 372 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9.
                                                            Cleaning up 372 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9.
                                                            Cleaning up 372 unused security descriptors.
                                                            Security descriptor verification completed.
                                                              24309 data files processed.                                            CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
                                                              35450632 USN bytes processed.                                             Usn Journal verification completed.
                                                            CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)...
                                                              124656 files processed.                                                 File data verification completed.
                                                            CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)...
                                                              105524185 free clusters processed.                                         Free space verification is complete.
                                                            Adding 1 bad clusters to the Bad Clusters File.
                                                            Correcting errors in the master file table's (MFT) DATA attribute.
                                                            CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the
                                                            master file table (MFT) bitmap.
                                                            Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap.
                                                            Windows has made corrections to the file system.
                                                            
                                                             470464511 KB total disk space.
                                                              48069648 KB in 93401 files.
                                                                 57740 KB in 24310 indexes.
                                                                     4 KB in bad sectors.
                                                                240375 KB in use by the system.
                                                                 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
                                                             422096744 KB available on disk.
                                                            
                                                                  4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
                                                             117616127 total allocation units on disk.
                                                             105524186 allocation units available on disk.
                                                            
                                                            Internal Info:
                                                            00 e7 01 00 db cb 01 00 9d 4f 03 00 00 00 00 00  .........O......
                                                            e9 00 00 00 2c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ....,...........
                                                            00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
                                                            
                                                            Windows has finished checking your disk.
                                                            Please wait while your computer restarts. 

                                                             
                                                            put in your normal log and the error log.
                                                            that way we might be able to see what's going on
                                                            with your folding
                                                             
                                                             
                                                             
                                                                


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