Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified

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ominence

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Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:21 AM (permalink)
I have a very specific requirement.
 
Can Slot 4 & 6 run at X8 & X16 speed respectively by disabling pci-e switch 2 & 4?
 
My aim is to get slots 1 & 6 @ x16 speed and slot 4 @ x8 speed. Total 40 lanes out off an i7-3960x.
 
Your assistance is very much appreciated.
 
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    Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:50 AM (permalink)
    I don't think disabling slots will do it for you. I think they only allocate 32 out of the 40 lanes possible for pcie. Could be wrong but I think you are limited to 32 lanes.

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      Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:45 AM (permalink)
      If PCI-e lanes are important to you, you may want to wait and see if they start using bridge chips to add them. (like the nf200 in the X58 E759 classy and 4-way classy days). 

       
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        Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:38 PM (permalink)
        Please refer to the following chart for the PCIe bandwidth depending on your configuration:

         
        Do not believe it is possible to get more that 32 lanes on EVGA x79 boards for PCIe slots.  The other 8 are used else where. 
         
        Some where I cannot find today there are several posts with the actual lanes listed above a tilted motherboard.  Or just PM JacobF or MatthewH or call / email Tech support.
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          Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:47 PM (permalink)
          Disabling a slot does not divert its lanes to the other slots. For 16/16 you can run slot 1+4, or 1+5.
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            Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:52 PM (permalink)
            Why do you need those specific slots Ominence?  (Inquiring Minds Want To Know)
                   
                              

             
             
                             

             
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              Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:03 PM (permalink)
              Thanks, I have already referred the chart, was seeking some actual confirmation on top.
               
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                Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:05 PM (permalink)
                Thanks Matthew, I was really hoping that that the xl-atx MB was going to have the ability to use all pcie lanes for graphics in some form.
                 
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                  Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:06 PM (permalink)
                  I was afraid of it since slot 4 clearly says x4 only.
                   
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                    Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:16 PM (permalink)
                    Don't get me started mate (a long debate going on elsewhere),
                     
                    My attempt is for 5 way sli or cfx, with single bridge, dual gpu cards and dual bridge, single gpu card combo.
                     
                    Dual gpu- cards 1 and 3.
                     
                    Single gpu- card 2.
                     
                    Connectors being the long flex bridge type.
                     
                    For that i am after x16, x8, x16. The xl-atx format was going to give the opportunity of using air cooled 2 slot cards with 1 slot gaps in between on a Lian-li Pc-2120 11 slot case.
                     
                    Wishful thinking apparently and perhaps nothing more than a concept.
                     
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                      Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:48 PM (permalink)
                      Generally the user cannot decide which slots have what signal the slots run at, the manufacturer decides that; all a user can do it stick the right combination of cards in their board.  EVGA has a visual guide of all their boards available as pdf, where on page two shows which slots have a permanent signal and which have variable depending on occupied adjacent slots.
                       
                      In link above, page two, show that the slots circled in green (from CPU) and orange (from X79 chipset) are permanent while the slots circled in blue (from CPU) are variable and depend on each other.  They can't all be x16 because there are only 40 total lanes in the CPU's PCIe 3.0 controller. 
                       
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                      If PCI-e lanes are important to you, you may want to wait and see if they start using bridge chips to add them. (like the nf200 in the X58 E759 classy and 4-way classy days).
                      If you stick a PCIe x16 card in an x8 slot, it will run x8 and doing so it castrates its own potential, meaning throttles itself back.  It won't operate 100% 8 lanes if it needed more, rather drop down to 7 lanes worth or less.
                       
                      PCIe bridge chips are not PCIe controllers, they just provide a signal to the graphics card so they don't throttle back as if to convince them there is more space when there isn't really more space.  At the very least there can be a performance difference from not throttling back.
                       
                      The current PLX PCIe 3.0 chipset used in some X79 and Z77 boards can provide 48 PCIe 3.0 lanes worth of "telling your graphics what to run at" versus actually giving your graphics the space.  A PLX chip in X79 would allow a manufacturer to brag quad x16 (48 in PLX + 40 in LGA2011 < 64 needed), but you'll still have x10 split among all four slots which is marginal against quad x8 that most X79's provide.  Marginal for games with modern infant PCIe 3.0 cards, computation and folding may actually need those extra 2 lanes per slot.
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                        Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:07 PM (permalink)
                        Thanks, may have to consider no spacing between cards because at least the x16,x8,x16 option at position 1,3,5 is avaiable. I had missed that in my earlier post.
                         
                        So can I assume that x16,x8,x16 for 3 way sli is possible across slots 1,3,5? The chart does not highlight this combo.
                         
                        May have to consider the x79 FTW instead because no use of the xl-atx form for my contraption.
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                          Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:31 PM (permalink)
                          so even if i only run 2 cards in sli in order to get them both to run x16 i need my cards to be in one of these 2 positions
                           
                          slot 1 x16 and slot 4 x16
                          or
                          Slot1 x16 and slot 5 x16
                          so those would be the only 2 configurations that will give me x16-x16 all others will give a sli set up the x16-x8.
                          I was thinking that thats a big gap in between and for liquid it will look like an even bigger gap but in my p55 classy i run 9800gt+'s in slots 1 and 5 to get X8-X16 so  so its the same gap between these cards so it should be sweet or I could really go big and run 3 680's in which i would loose a gpu water loop i am also upgrading to and get 3 air cooled 680's for the price of 2 liquids. and really would not even need to look at another product after building an x79 system till after all the ivyb-e cpu stop production to switch to hanswell and the ivy-e are not do out till mid 2013 unless i am mistaking so this board IMo will be king as long as the X58 was and maybe longer with the new upgradable 2011 ivy e chips are released. unless for some strange reason Pci 4.0 gets released but is there even talk about it. and the only way z77 is going to last any lenght of time is if they make hanswell compatible for the z77 because i here a socket change is due up for them again.

                           
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                            Re:Prospective 1st time evga buyer- X79 Classified Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:30 PM (permalink)
                            I don't think its possible it has 40 Lanes but 8 Are for other Pci-e functions and the 32 is for grahics you can only configure 32 lanes evenly between X amount of cards.
                            I also need to consider the ftw over the classy but who knows if i got the space maybe i can load it with 4 680s hc'$ (A Man Can Dream!)
                            ominence


                            Thanks, may have to consider no spacing between cards because at least the x16,x8,x16 option at position 1,3,5 is avaiable. I had missed that in my earlier post.

                            So can I assume that x16,x8,x16 for 3 way sli is possible across slots 1,3,5? The chart does not highlight this combo.

                            May have to consider the x79 FTW instead because no use of the xl-atx form for my contraption.


                            <message edited by Onabigon on Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:33 PM>

                             
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