Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper

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Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:56 AM (permalink)
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I hate to say it, but now I'm glad I missed out on the initial batches. I'm building a water cooling setup specifically for this card, that is extremely disappointing news to hear it is practically pointless. All this cooling capacity and the card can't go much farther than the stock overclock?

Would it be better to get a SC and then install a waterblock 

 
Maybe. Not sure how high you could get with the SC.
The hydro copper is already 209 mhz higher than the standard gtx 680.
I think I'll try a different software to OC this. Maybe afterburner.
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    Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:58 AM (permalink)
    yes, wasted money in case of OC.
    The card is still looking good. The cooler is very expensive. It will be sold for $160,-. The Fittings will be expensive, too. But this isn´t the Reason to buy such a High-End card. Being able just to get20MHz more lets make me smile and shake my head.
     
    Lets find out if the OC Bios of the Classi will run at the HC. If it works fine EVGA will get my Money. But this will take time and I don´t know if I can wait. Will I ?
    I´m very confused in the moment.
     
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      Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:03 AM (permalink)
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      RuleOfSines


      I hate to say it, but now I'm glad I missed out on the initial batches. I'm building a water cooling setup specifically for this card, that is extremely disappointing news to hear it is practically pointless. All this cooling capacity and the card can't go much farther than the stock overclock?

      Would it be better to get a SC and then install a waterblock 


      Maybe. Not sure how high you could get with the SC.
      The hydro copper is already 209 mhz higher than the standard gtx 680.
      I think I'll try a different software to OC this. Maybe afterburner.

       
      Hopefully you can get some good results, It is a bit painful to think we're paying $1/mhz for every step over stock, without any additional headroom to work with.
       
      If a bios update changes things, that would be great.
       
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        Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:04 AM (permalink)
        It "could" just be the card that yapchagi got? We REALLY need to see if other owners are having the same problem with their HC's.
        So far yapchagi is the only one who's posted with results using this card. Make any sense? Just a thought.

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          Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:08 AM (permalink)
          it would surprise me
           
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            Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:11 AM (permalink)
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            It "could" just be the card that yapchagi got? We REALLY need to see if other owners are having the same problem with their HC's.
            So far yapchagi is the only one who's posted with results using this card. Make any sense? Just a thought.

             
            Could be an issue. I would still think you'd be able to increase the power level further than it seems to allow, though that could be something that will be updated.
             
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              Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:22 AM (permalink)
              It could be the card that he got, but you still can't get the card more than 1.175V, and that's going to be a problem.
               
              I really don't see any reason nVidia would force volts to stay under 1.175 for users who are using more advanced cooling methods. It kind of kills the point.
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                Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:32 AM (permalink)
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                It could be the card that he got, but you still can't get the card more than 1.175V, and that's going to be a problem.

                I really don't see any reason nVidia would force volts to stay under 1.175 for users who are using more advanced cooling methods. It kind of kills the point.

                 
                Maybe the marketing model is different than we are expecting? I was assuming the HC's would be targeting specifically towards an overclocking crowd, but maybe that isn't true.
                 
                Maybe they plan on overclockers to buy beefed-up air cooled versions and then install our own blocks. I was looking forward to the HC due to getting a pre-installed waterblock with warranty and what I thought would be significantly more overclocking potential.
                 
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                  Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:34 AM (permalink)
                  sick set up
                   
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                    Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:47 AM (permalink)
                    I'm curious if we're misunderstanding what the power target actually means in the case of the hydrocopper.  Yapchagi said that the default power target setting for the card is still 100%, but 100% of what?  The cards default clocks are over 1200mhz, which is well beyond what any other reference 680 is capable of (to my knowledge) at 100%.  This would indicate to me that evga is using a different scale for this card (so 130% on this card might actually be the 150% that we were expecting).
                     
                    On the other hand, not being able to overclock past stock settings is not looking optimistic.  Hopefully we'll see some other users feedback soon.
                     
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                      Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:55 AM (permalink)
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                      I'm curious if we're misunderstanding what the power target actually means in the case of the hydrocopper.  Yapchagi said that the default power target setting for the card is still 100%, but 100% of what?  The cards default clocks are over 1200mhz, which is well beyond what any other reference 680 is capable of (to my knowledge) at 100%.  This would indicate to me that evga is using a different scale for this card (so 130% on this card might actually be the 150% that we were expecting).

                      On the other hand, not being able to overclock past stock settings is not looking optimistic.  Hopefully we'll see some other users feedback soon.

                       
                      I would love to see just a plain old mhz slider instead of all this every-card-is-unique relative-scaling and automatically adjusting stuff. Punch in a speed, does it work? Yes? Punch it up some more. Add a touch of voltage, does it work now? Sweet, punch it up again.
                       
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                        Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:01 AM (permalink)
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                        I'm curious if we're misunderstanding what the power target actually means in the case of the hydrocopper.  Yapchagi said that the default power target setting for the card is still 100%, but 100% of what?  The cards default clocks are over 1200mhz, which is well beyond what any other reference 680 is capable of (to my knowledge) at 100%.  This would indicate to me that evga is using a different scale for this card (so 130% on this card might actually be the 150% that we were expecting).

                        On the other hand, not being able to overclock past stock settings is not looking optimistic.  Hopefully we'll see some other users feedback soon.


                        I would love to see just a plain old mhz slider instead of all this every-card-is-unique relative-scaling and automatically adjusting stuff. Punch in a speed, does it work? Yes? Punch it up some more. Add a touch of voltage, does it work now? Sweet, punch it up again.

                         
                        It certainly does seem to make overclocking less predictable, but it leaves me to wonder if it was done to increase yield?  If everything is hidden and dynamic, if a chip needs more or less voltage/power to be stable this gives nvidia an opportunity to sell it as a normal product.  Smart from a business sense, if that's the reason.
                         
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                          Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:01 AM (permalink)
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                          yeah I'm beginning to think that this hydro copper card is a waste of money at $700. Can't move the Power Target slider higher than 130%. Max Voltage is 1.175v.

                          At one point the oc is stable with 3 - 4 different tests, and then the next test would crash. So I think I'll leave it with the factory oc. It won't matter with 10 - 20 mhz higher at this point. We're talking about 1 - 2 fps higher with each 10 mhz maybe.


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                            Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:14 AM (permalink)
                            I am pretty sure there was a post by someone from evga stating there were no plans to allow higher voltage for the 680 HC.
                             
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                              Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:20 AM (permalink)
                              If this is the case I think I will forget my order of 2 of them so and look elsewhere.
                               
                              In europe I have to spend 1500 euros on 2 of them , so nearly $2000, so if I can't overclock this will be a dealbreaker.
                               
                              If they are only pushing 37 under load and thermal throttling kicks in around 70 then that sounds like an overclockers wet dream if the damn voltages weren't capped.
                               
                              We need to hear back from EVGA on this a.s.a.p. Will there be a bios update for the cards to allow further voltage tweaking or will we be stuck with it as is?
                               
                              If this is the case I will look elsewhere to get something that overclocks well and buy some EK blocks maybe?
                              I have the money burning a hole in my pocket so I'm awaiting a response from someone at EVGA to clarify this...
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                                Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:25 AM (permalink)
                                Nice cards!
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                                  Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:29 AM (permalink)
                                  What is the surprise? EVGA stated before that 1.175v will remain the max. That = not much overclocking headroom vs reference. We need some cracked BIOS's to get higher voltage unless it's locked in hardware.
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                                    Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:47 AM (permalink)
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                                    yeah I'm beginning to think that this hydro copper card is a waste of money at $700. Can't move the Power Target slider higher than 130%. Max Voltage is 1.175v.

                                    At one point the oc is stable with 3 - 4 different tests, and then the next test would crash. So I think I'll leave it with the factory oc. It won't matter with 10 - 20 mhz higher at this point. We're talking about 1 - 2 fps higher with each 10 mhz maybe.


                                    Wow, you went from you're soo sexy, I want to make love to you to don't let the door hit you on the way out. LOL!!
                                    I have had a few of those relationships before.(ahhh, the innocence of youth!)I'm married to my 480's for now. Gana wait until a trophy wife come along.
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                                    I picked up on that comment too. Better hope your girlfriend doesn't click on your you tube video, lol.

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                                      Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:51 AM (permalink)
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                                      What is the surprise? EVGA stated before that 1.175v will remain the max. That = not much overclocking headroom vs reference. We need some cracked BIOS's to get higher voltage unless it's locked in hardware.

                                       
                                      Well hopefully someone from EVGA will come here and let us know if it is locked in hardware or not.
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                                        Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:57 AM (permalink)
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                                        What is the surprise? EVGA stated before that 1.175v will remain the max. That = not much overclocking headroom vs reference. We need some cracked BIOS's to get higher voltage unless it's locked in hardware.


                                        I must have missed that post. So we should not expect increased voltage to be possible, even on the Classified versions? If that is the case, then wow. Just wow. Don't really see the point of the Classy and 14 phase delivery, the two 8 pins, or water cooling. 
                                         
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                                          Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:01 PM (permalink)
                                          This thread is the reason I have not bought a 680 yet.  The 680 reminds me of the regular Sandy Bridges, both are excellent performers, but as an enthusiast I want something I can tweak. 
                                           
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                                            Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:17 PM (permalink)
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                                            What is the surprise? EVGA stated before that 1.175v will remain the max. That = not much overclocking headroom vs reference. We need some cracked BIOS's to get higher voltage unless it's locked in hardware.


                                            I must have missed that post. So we should not expect increased voltage to be possible, even on the Classified versions? If that is the case, then wow. Just wow. Don't really see the point of the Classy and 14 phase delivery, the two 8 pins, or water cooling. 

                                            If this is true, I've got a pretty sweet water cooled rig for sale. Check it out in my Mods Rigs, lol.


                                            this was in regards to the Hydro Copper, not the Classified. I am pretty sure they will probably go the same route as the 580 classified for the 680 classified.
                                             
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                                              Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:27 PM (permalink)
                                              Well if the classified will be out soon I might wait. I have all the components for my new rig apart from gpu's, 2 ssd drives and a pump so might just wait if the standard hydros won't overclock.
                                               
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                                                Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:01 PM (permalink)
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                                                I must have missed that post. So we should not expect increased voltage to be possible, even on the Classified versions? If that is the case, then wow. Just wow. Don't really see the point of the Classy and 14 phase delivery, the two 8 pins, or water cooling. 

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                                                Zotac has a card in the works that can pass the 1.175V mark, think I read it'll do 1.5V, so we can assume so does every other company including EVGA. I'm personally waiting for those to come out, no eta but will guess next two months-ish.
                                                 
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                                                  Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:14 PM (permalink)
                                                  My card and the water parts came in this afternoon.  I won't have time to make the switch tonight, but I will in the morning so I'll let you know if I'm seeing anything different in the OC'ng of the HC.  I currently am running two 580 OCs and I run them at stock most of the time. 
                                                   
                                                  But with only one card (while I await more to get into the wild), I'll probably want an OC on the card.
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:32 PM (permalink)
                                                    Yapchagi's results are both interesting & disappointing.  I don't see the need for a 6/8 pin voltage connector and an extra phase for a card that is essentially a stock reference board.  My take on the Kepler is that it's being held back by nvidia purposefully with a BIOS / hard ware lock.  The best overclock so far is on LN with a hard ware voltage mod.  Great if you have soldering skills & can afford to brick a card & can afford enough LN for two hours worth of benching.
                                                     
                                                    Seems nvidia is trying to turn overclocking into a commodity.  I'll sell you a new card, that marginally beats the competition, on a new fabrication scale (that in the long run saves me fabricating costs by increasing yield per wafer) and I'll control the clock speed that the each newly manufactured gpu can successfully run across the board within a 5% margin of error across all batches.   Can the card clock, yes, but not to consumers current expectations.  Do the clock ranges or auto clocking features still beat the competition?  Yes.  Do the cards run consistently from batch to batch? Yes. 
                                                     
                                                    I really think that cpu & gpu manufacturers are running into a speed wall as dies shrink.  Sandy Bridge was a departure from S775 & S775 overclocking.  Much simpler to overclock & much more consistent across cpu batches.  Intel has offered $20 OC insurance in case you brick your Sandy.  Sandy's popular because of price/performance.  X79, very pricey, marginally faster than SB, not all that more tweak-able as compared to past cpu's.  For the $$$, X79, is it really worth it?  I understand screaming edge & first adopters.
                                                     
                                                    I see Kepler in the same light.  AMD's 7970's are pretty maxed as well, people complain about clocks not going high enough on either air or water.  Kepler's in the wild seem to be achieving what reviewers have been able to do, judging by forums.  YMMV.  LN is a whole different world for both gpu's.  Kepler's appeal, less costly than 79xx, performs same or slightly better for a few less $$.  Water cooling 79xx or kepler is no guarantee to greater clocks.  Price of HC = reference card + non-Swiftech block + extra fittings + $30-$40 for a 3 year warranty, minus the excitement / time to install the block yourself.  The math works the same for either Kepler or 79xx, except there is no reasonable factory water blocked 79xx for a decent price.  Forget PowerColor's card.  Way over priced.
                                                     
                                                    Back to Yapchagi.  If I had the card, I'd forget voltage for the moment, focus on gpu boost & memory.  Try to recreate what reviewers have done for clock cycles.  Once successful there, kill Precision & load Afterburner & see what I could do there.  Manipulate AB's cfg file to unlock voltage to see if % voiltage boost will raise, monitoring live voltage with AB in a game to see fluctuations.  I'd also use the beta drivers that all reviewers use as well. 
                                                     
                                                    The HC may be maxed.  I believe that the HC boost clock is higher than an OC'd SC version out of the box.  It just appears that the SC can clock slightly higher because of user adjustment.  Correct me if I'm wrong on this one.  I think with Kepler, what you see is what you get.
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                                                      thebski

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                                                      Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:40 PM (permalink)
                                                      Well if Zotac is doing it then they will all be doing it, which makes me feel a lot better.

                                                      Apparently, the EVGA guys can't say anything or one of them would have put an end to this speculation by now.
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                                                        Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:45 PM (permalink)
                                                        Yep, been hearing about Zotac, but "where's the beef!"
                                                         
                                                        I'm somewhat dumbfounded by all these paper launches.  WAAAY to much speculation, particularly about Big Kepler, if that even exists.  I'm keeping my mad money for the moment!
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                                                          yapchagi

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                                                          Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:26 PM (permalink)
                                                          no luck with afterburner. Still getting crash with benchmarking program. No way to get pass 1.175v.
                                                          I wonder what the max voltage is for regular GTX 680 that's overclocked to 1300mhz.

                                                           

                                                           
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                                                            Re:Just got my GTX 680 Hydro Copper Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:54 PM (permalink)
                                                            Would anyone with a hydrocopper mind measuring the distance from the back of their case/edge of the card bracket to the leading and trailing edges of the water block fittings piece? I have an extremely tight fit I am trying to design stuff around, want to get an idea of where the cooler fittings block ends up in the case.
                                                             
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