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Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Monday, March 26, 2012 10:34 PM (permalink)
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    Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Monday, March 26, 2012 10:37 PM (permalink)
    Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.
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      Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:11 AM (permalink)
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      Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.

      No as factual numbers not even a single chance.
      a single GTX 590 rapes a GTX 680, a 590 has 1024 Fermi CUDA cores which are faster but lower clocked than the 1536 Kepler CUDA cores...
       
      Dual GTX 590's will crush Dual 680's in almost every aspect, don't worry if you have Quad SLI and you know how to master it you have nothing to fear.
      Here's a neat article showing that the GTX 590 like the HD 6990 beat the GTX 690 in every aspect:
      http://www.anandtech.com/...force-gtx-680-review/7
      As you can see most tests the GTX 680 scores best at the lower reso's as where the HD 7970, GTX 590 & HD 6990 have the highest FPS in the higher reso's even the 580's aren't doing that far behind the 680's either.
       
      As for computing power the HD 7970 annihilates it rofl
      http://www.anandtech.com/...orce-gtx-680-review/17

       
      Even the HD 7870 beats the GTX 680, so yeah the 680 isn't much of a high end card it's the Mid end card which was going to be named GTX 660, and this is how most people see it, it's just  not much of a great card this time, GTX 285, 480 and GTX 580 were marvelous designs GTX 680 is a failure imo, like it or not, it's my verdict.
       
      I'd advise GTX 580 3GB's & HD 7970 3GB's over these mid end cards any day.
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        Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:11 AM (permalink)
        I would imigine the performance would be on par, but you would have the incresed resalution, and a greatley reduced power bill.
          
             
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          Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:19 AM (permalink)
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          Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.

          No as factual numbers not even a single chance.
          a single GTX 590 rapes a GTX 680, a 590 has 1024 Fermi CUDA cores which are faster but lower clocked than the 1536 Kepler CUDA cores...

          Dual GTX 590's will crush Dual 680's in almost every aspect, don't worry if you have Quad SLI and you know how to master it you have nothing to fear.
          Here's a neat article showing that the GTX 590 like the HD 6990 beat the GTX 690 in every aspect:
          http://www.anandtech.com/...force-gtx-680-review/7
          As you can see most tests the GTX 680 scores best at the lower reso's as where the HD 7970, GTX 590 & HD 6990 have the highest FPS in the higher reso's even the 580's aren't doing that far behind the 680's either.

          As for computing power the HD 7970 annihilates it rofl
          http://www.anandtech.com/...orce-gtx-680-review/17


          Even the HD 7870 beats the GTX 680, so yeah the 680 isn't much of a high end card it's the Mid end card which was going to be named GTX 660, and this is how most people see it, it's just  not much of a great card this time, GTX 285, 480 and GTX 580 were marvelous designs GTX 680 is a failure imo, like it or not, it's my verdict.

          I'd advise GTX 580 3GB's & HD 7970 3GB's over these mid end cards any day.

          Seems you decided to pick Compute as the defining characteristic of performance....Your own article says...
           
          Apparently NVIDIA has put absolutely no time into optimizing their now all-important Kepler compiler for SmallLuxGPU, choosing to focus on games instead. While that doesn’t make it clear how much of GTX 680’s performance is due to the compiler versus a general loss in compute performance, it does offer at least a slim hope that NVIDIA can improve their compute performance.
           
          The entire review, (and others for example Guru3D) demonstrate this is a good value and a well performing card.
           
          http://www.anandtech.com/...geforce-gtx-680-review
           

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            Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:44 AM (permalink)
            I kinda lost all faith in OP when I saw his info came from OCN, half the posts are people trying to get the card, the other half are people claiming the 7970 is a better value (lawl).
             
            I've OC'ed mine to 165/650 certainly not amazing, but not that bad either.
             
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              Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:11 AM (permalink)
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              Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.

              No as factual numbers not even a single chance.
              a single GTX 590 rapes a GTX 680, a 590 has 1024 Fermi CUDA cores which are faster but lower clocked than the 1536 Kepler CUDA cores...

              Dual GTX 590's will crush Dual 680's in almost every aspect, don't worry if you have Quad SLI and you know how to master it you have nothing to fear.
              Here's a neat article showing that the GTX 590 like the HD 6990 beat the GTX 690 in every aspect:
              http://www.anandtech.com/...force-gtx-680-review/7
              As you can see most tests the GTX 680 scores best at the lower reso's as where the HD 7970, GTX 590 & HD 6990 have the highest FPS in the higher reso's even the 580's aren't doing that far behind the 680's either.

              As for computing power the HD 7970 annihilates it rofl
              http://www.anandtech.com/...orce-gtx-680-review/17


              Even the HD 7870 beats the GTX 680, so yeah the 680 isn't much of a high end card it's the Mid end card which was going to be named GTX 660, and this is how most people see it, it's just  not much of a great card this time, GTX 285, 480 and GTX 580 were marvelous designs GTX 680 is a failure imo, like it or not, it's my verdict.

              I'd advise GTX 580 3GB's & HD 7970 3GB's over these mid end cards any day.

              Seems you decided to pick Compute as the defining characteristic of performance....Your own article says...

              Apparently NVIDIA has put absolutely no time into optimizing their now all-important Kepler compiler for SmallLuxGPU, choosing to focus on games instead. While that doesn’t make it clear how much of GTX 680’s performance is due to the compiler versus a general loss in compute performance, it does offer at least a slim hope that NVIDIA can improve their compute performance.

              The entire review, (and others for example Guru3D) demonstrate this is a good value and a well performing card.

              http://www.anandtech.com/...geforce-gtx-680-review



              Still not impressed that 2x 512CUDA cores of the GTX 590 are faster than the GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, so here some valuable Points for you
               
              Point A: GTX 590's CUDA Cores are Clocked Lower, but are faster than GTX 680's CUDA Cores
              Point B: GTX 590 has a lower amount of CUDA cores, 2x 512 = 1024 CUDA Cores, compared to GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, but it's faster than the GTX 680.
              Point C: The CUDA Cores of the GTX 500 series are far more powerful per CUDA Core / per Mhz than that of GTX 680.
              Point D: The GTX 680 needs a lot of CUDA Cores at very high speeds to keep up or defeat the old generation? That does not make sense.
               
              The GTX 580's were already aimed at gaming, so what you say I find irrelevant. It seems you like to wander around the facts and take the propaganda for real, now where have I seen similar things before? heh just curious
               
              Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either.
              The facts have shown that the GTX 680 is a moderate performing card, that's too bad then , NVIDIA will hopefully learn from this mistake as AMD did with their HD 2900 series ;)
               
              It's only a VGA card but still I find it annoying when people try to evade the facts and take the propaganda for real
               
              Anyways my last two cents on this case, gotta keep it clean ;)
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                Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:17 AM (permalink)
                Do we really need to use the word "rape" when it comes to video card performance? I don't see how it is relevant. There are plenty of other words to use that aren't potentially offensive. This seems to be against the TOS. 
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                  Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:20 AM (permalink)
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                   So 4 days is a while and that being long enough to have absolutely mastered the OC potential of this card given its lengthy tenure on the market taking into account the variations of the multiple driver releases since its launch?  
                   
                  I've had samples for quite a long time but, I do appreciate the assumption 
                   
                  Care to make any more? Or can we move along here?
                   
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                  Still not impressed that 2x 512CUDA cores of the GTX 590 are faster than the GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, so here some valuable Points for you

                  Point A: GTX 590's CUDA Cores are Clocked Lower, but are faster than GTX 680's CUDA Cores
                  Point B: GTX 590 has a lower amount of CUDA cores, 2x 512 = 1024 CUDA Cores, compared to GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, but it's faster than the GTX 680.
                  Point C: The CUDA Cores of the GTX 500 series are far more powerful per CUDA Core / per Mhz than that of GTX 680.
                  Point D: The GTX 680 needs a lot of CUDA Cores at very high speeds to keep up or defeat the old generation? That does not make sense.

                  The GTX 580's were already aimed at gaming, so what you say I find irrelevant. It seems you like to wander around the facts and take the propaganda for real, now where have I seen similar things before? heh just curious

                  Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either.
                  The facts have shown that the GTX 680 is a moderate performing card, that's too bad then , NVIDIA will hopefully learn from this mistake as AMD did with their HD 2900 series ;)

                  It's only a VGA card but still I find it annoying when people try to evade the facts and take the propaganda for real

                  Anyways my last two cents on this case, gotta keep it clean ;)

                  This argument is so full of holes, it's amazing...Of course 4 cores in the 5 series, beat 2 cores...But, what you're failing to actually enter into this discussion is the fact that the 4th core on the 590's is never actually optimized...Not only is it not optimized, it doesn't actually work half the time...
                   
                  Regardless of the Cuda cores and every argument you throw at this, the 590 has had a YEAR of driver optimization and the 680 has had...a week? ~ Give it a year and let's see how the optimization pans out.
                   
                  I'm a former owner of 2 590's, myself and aside from the voltage lock, the driver throttling and the horde of other issues, the 680, regardless of it's release stature, is a breath of fresh air -- I'm also, for nearly the same price as the 590 Classified HC was, operating almost twice as fast in MOST real world applications -- I'd take that any day over the issues with the 590.
                   
                  If the 590 was a "perfect card" then this discussion would be moot but, most people with the 590, would rather not have made the purchase in the first place because of the myriad of issues that exist with it...
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                    Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:29 AM (permalink)
                    The 590 also does not really like overclocks had mine go caput from it and waiting for an rma. Bit reason I am getting a GTX 680.
                     
                    If you also look on modrigs, the fastest Single gpu system is a 680 I got bumped down two spots already since the release of the GTX 680.  You also have to take into account the 680 gets a higher min framerate than the 590. You can see that in the heaven benchmark a 590 stock vs a 680 stock the 590 will win in heaven but not 3dmark 11 about 100-300 points on average the 680 is ahead of the 590, you overclock both cards the 680 comes out on top.
                     
                    As for the OP your loss if you refuse the cards, as well as having to suck up that restocking fee... not really worth it tbh to refuse them.
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                      Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:36 AM (permalink)
                      Nevermind the crappy vrm setup on the 590's, they have the same issue that the 570's had so if you overclock or overvolt them too much then they will die.
                       
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                        Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:46 AM (permalink)
                        Hope no one here is gonna be this troll's victim at $600 a pop... very low of you OP.

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                          Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:33 AM (permalink)
                          You're talking about first generation drivers though (On the benchmarks)...while it may not exceed the other cards I'd bet the benchies will only get better as time goes by.
                           
                          Unless they've perfected drivers by release? :P
                           
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                            Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:56 AM (permalink)
                            a person is not obligated to keep a product he/she isnt happy with..regardless of doing their "homework". u always take care of the customer..otherwise they shop elsewhere..its that simple. if i decide i dont want something,and its my hard earned money being spent btw,then its going back...
                              

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                              Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:27 AM (permalink)
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                              a person is not obligated to keep a product he/she isnt happy with..regardless of doing their "homework". u always take care of the customer..otherwise they shop elsewhere..its that simple. if i decide i dont want something,and its my hard earned money being spent btw,then its going back...
                               
                              The term caveat emptor; means that you must take responsibility for your decisions, you have choice up until you enter the contract, and the transaction has taken place. Yes you can decide if you want the card to go back, and they can decide how much, if any, of your money goes back. Actually 20% is not a bad price for a lesson in Latin, and the insight to do your homework next time. EVGA should NOT have to eat shipping costs times two , because you changed your mind.
                               
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                                Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:15 AM (permalink)
                                20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks
                                  

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                                  Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:18 AM (permalink)
                                  btw i have owned evga products for many years...let them do business like that with me and they wont see another dime..i also belong to a gaming clan with over 100 members...trust and believe i would let them all know about the "caveats"
                                    

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                                    Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:20 AM (permalink)
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                                    Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.

                                    No as factual numbers not even a single chance.
                                    a single GTX 590 rapes a GTX 680, a 590 has 1024 Fermi CUDA cores which are faster but lower clocked than the 1536 Kepler CUDA cores...

                                    Dual GTX 590's will crush Dual 680's in almost every aspect, don't worry if you have Quad SLI and you know how to master it you have nothing to fear.
                                    Here's a neat article showing that the GTX 590 like the HD 6990 beat the GTX 690 in every aspect:
                                    http://www.anandtech.com/...force-gtx-680-review/7
                                    As you can see most tests the GTX 680 scores best at the lower reso's as where the HD 7970, GTX 590 & HD 6990 have the highest FPS in the higher reso's even the 580's aren't doing that far behind the 680's either.

                                    As for computing power the HD 7970 annihilates it rofl
                                    http://www.anandtech.com/...orce-gtx-680-review/17


                                    Even the HD 7870 beats the GTX 680, so yeah the 680 isn't much of a high end card it's the Mid end card which was going to be named GTX 660, and this is how most people see it, it's just  not much of a great card this time, GTX 285, 480 and GTX 580 were marvelous designs GTX 680 is a failure imo, like it or not, it's my verdict.

                                    I'd advise GTX 580 3GB's & HD 7970 3GB's over these mid end cards any day.

                                    Seems you decided to pick Compute as the defining characteristic of performance....Your own article says...

                                    Apparently NVIDIA has put absolutely no time into optimizing their now all-important Kepler compiler for SmallLuxGPU, choosing to focus on games instead. While that doesn’t make it clear how much of GTX 680’s performance is due to the compiler versus a general loss in compute performance, it does offer at least a slim hope that NVIDIA can improve their compute performance.

                                    The entire review, (and others for example Guru3D) demonstrate this is a good value and a well performing card.

                                    http://www.anandtech.com/...geforce-gtx-680-review



                                    Still not impressed that 2x 512CUDA cores of the GTX 590 are faster than the GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, so here some valuable Points for you

                                    Point A: GTX 590's CUDA Cores are Clocked Lower, but are faster than GTX 680's CUDA Cores
                                    Point B: GTX 590 has a lower amount of CUDA cores, 2x 512 = 1024 CUDA Cores, compared to GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, but it's faster than the GTX 680.
                                    Point C: The CUDA Cores of the GTX 500 series are far more powerful per CUDA Core / per Mhz than that of GTX 680.
                                    Point D: The GTX 680 needs a lot of CUDA Cores at very high speeds to keep up or defeat the old generation? That does not make sense.

                                    The GTX 580's were already aimed at gaming, so what you say I find irrelevant. It seems you like to wander around the facts and take the propaganda for real, now where have I seen similar things before? heh just curious

                                    Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either.
                                    The facts have shown that the GTX 680 is a moderate performing card, that's too bad then , NVIDIA will hopefully learn from this mistake as AMD did with their HD 2900 series ;)

                                    It's only a VGA card but still I find it annoying when people try to evade the facts and take the propaganda for real

                                    Anyways my last two cents on this case, gotta keep it clean ;)

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                                      Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:24 AM (permalink)
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                                      20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks


                                      So you would rather mandate the worker take it off the truck do so for free, the individual that inspects it and put it back in stock for free, the shipping materal eatin, by the company, or added to the cost of the next guys purchase. Go by u-haul and see what the box and package material cost, Lets un-pay that guy that processed your order, The guy you talked to when you placed your order, I suppose the banks are going to refund the Credit card processing charge. who pays the accountant that changes the tax paperwork, Does EVGA now consider it used, and list it on B-stock, who eats that. The time to decide your Not going to buy, is before you buy.
                                        
                                           
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                                        Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:38 AM (permalink)
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                                        btw i have owned evga products for many years...let them do business like that with me and they wont see another dime..i also belong to a gaming clan with over 100 members...trust and believe i would let them all know about the "caveats"

                                        Im sure each and every one of your fellow clannies would abandon EVGA based on your experience...
                                         
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                                          Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:44 AM (permalink)
                                          gonna wait i think for the 680 4gb 2000clock non reference versions
                                           
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                                            Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:05 PM (permalink)
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                                            20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks


                                            So you would rather mandate the worker take it off the truck do so for free, the individual that inspects it and put it back in stock for free, the shipping materal eatin, by the company, or added to the cost of the next guys purchase. Go by u-haul and see what the box and package material cost, Lets un-pay that guy that processed your order, The guy you talked to when you placed your order, I suppose the banks are going to refund the Credit card processing charge. who pays the accountant that changes the tax paperwork, Does EVGA now consider it used, and list it on B-stock, who eats that. The time to decide your Not going to buy, is before you buy.


                                            people do make mistakes and also are allowed to change their minds...like i said,i hope u dont own ur own business or are in the retail business u wouldnt last long...ur actually bringing up banking and acountants? rotflmfao! move on before u only make urself look more foolish
                                              

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                                              Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:20 PM (permalink)
                                              just to clarify this..i have bought many things from amazon and a few things i ordered and realized i ordered the wrong item..this wasnt just an isolated incedent...i called them and explained the situation and they made the process very easy for me..twice i refused the shipment..once i already opened the package ( a psu for my pc)..at no point was i charged a restocking fee..regarding the psu i did have to pay shipping back to them..the 2 times i refused the item...the other 2 times i chose free freight so i was never charged anything..guess where i do most of my shopping online.
                                                

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                                                Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:04 PM (permalink)
                                                python


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                                                python


                                                20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks


                                                So you would rather mandate the worker take it off the truck do so for free, the individual that inspects it and put it back in stock for free, the shipping material eaten, by the company, or added to the cost of the next guys purchase. Go by u-haul and see what the box and package material cost, Lets un-pay that guy that processed your order, The guy you talked to when you placed your order, I suppose the banks are going to refund the Credit card processing charge. who pays the accountant that changes the tax paperwork, Does EVGA now consider it used, and list it on B-stock, who eats that. The time to decide your Not going to buy, is before you buy.


                                                people do make mistakes and also are allowed to change their minds...like i said,i hope u dont own ur own business or are in the retail business u wouldn't last long...ur actually bringing up banking and accountants? rotflmfao! move on before u only make urself look more foolish


                                                I'm just saying there is a cost to do business, and if you don't pay it the company has to roll it into the cost of the product, so either you pay it or we all pay it. It is like kroger, If someone takes a cart full of steaks, they just increase the cost of everything in the store. If you don't want to pay 20% restocking fee on a $600 card, then don't be surprised if next time it's a $625 card. you still pay it, you just don't know you do. Unless you can get the people processing the return to work for free, and the company supplying the supplies to provide them for free, than someone is going to pay for them, What is your definition of fair, should it be the next guy, or the one that caused the waste.  Do you want to take responsibility for your actions, or do you think I should take responsibility for your actions. if 10% of the cost of a product is handling and they have to handle it twice, wouldn't that be 20% , they have paid to pull it from stock and to put it back, if they make it B-stock, they have taken another loss. If you refuse delivery, the company has paid to ship it to you and then paid to have it sent back Do you suppose UPS is going to give that back. Honestly if I did own a business, and I took a loss every time I dealt with you, I would send you the name and number to my competitor. Every business expense, must be paid for, or worked into the cost of the product. The cost of your free technical support isn't free, this free web site, isn't free, If EVGA did not adequately describe the product, they should take the hit, If they did and you failed to read or research, you should.  Who caused the Issue, what caused the issue, whom is responsible for it. Do I take responsibility for my actions, or do I look for someone to blame, someone to take the fall.
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                                                  Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:15 PM (permalink)
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                                                  Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.

                                                  No as factual numbers not even a single chance.
                                                  a single GTX 590 rapes a GTX 680, a 590 has 1024 Fermi CUDA cores which are faster but lower clocked than the 1536 Kepler CUDA cores...

                                                  Dual GTX 590's will crush Dual 680's in almost every aspect, don't worry if you have Quad SLI and you know how to master it you have nothing to fear.
                                                  Here's a neat article showing that the GTX 590 like the HD 6990 beat the GTX 690 in every aspect:
                                                  http://www.anandtech.com/...force-gtx-680-review/7
                                                  As you can see most tests the GTX 680 scores best at the lower reso's as where the HD 7970, GTX 590 & HD 6990 have the highest FPS in the higher reso's even the 580's aren't doing that far behind the 680's either.

                                                  As for computing power the HD 7970 annihilates it rofl
                                                  http://www.anandtech.com/...orce-gtx-680-review/17


                                                  Even the HD 7870 beats the GTX 680, so yeah the 680 isn't much of a high end card it's the Mid end card which was going to be named GTX 660, and this is how most people see it, it's just  not much of a great card this time, GTX 285, 480 and GTX 580 were marvelous designs GTX 680 is a failure imo, like it or not, it's my verdict.

                                                  I'd advise GTX 580 3GB's & HD 7970 3GB's over these mid end cards any day.

                                                  Seems you decided to pick Compute as the defining characteristic of performance....Your own article says...

                                                  Apparently NVIDIA has put absolutely no time into optimizing their now all-important Kepler compiler for SmallLuxGPU, choosing to focus on games instead. While that doesn’t make it clear how much of GTX 680’s performance is due to the compiler versus a general loss in compute performance, it does offer at least a slim hope that NVIDIA can improve their compute performance.

                                                  The entire review, (and others for example Guru3D) demonstrate this is a good value and a well performing card.

                                                  http://www.anandtech.com/...geforce-gtx-680-review



                                                  Still not impressed that 2x 512CUDA cores of the GTX 590 are faster than the GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, so here some valuable Points for you

                                                  Point A: GTX 590's CUDA Cores are Clocked Lower, but are faster than GTX 680's CUDA Cores
                                                  Point B: GTX 590 has a lower amount of CUDA cores, 2x 512 = 1024 CUDA Cores, compared to GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, but it's faster than the GTX 680.
                                                  Point C: The CUDA Cores of the GTX 500 series are far more powerful per CUDA Core / per Mhz than that of GTX 680.
                                                  Point D: The GTX 680 needs a lot of CUDA Cores at very high speeds to keep up or defeat the old generation? That does not make sense.

                                                  The GTX 580's were already aimed at gaming, so what you say I find irrelevant. It seems you like to wander around the facts and take the propaganda for real, now where have I seen similar things before? heh just curious

                                                  Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either.
                                                  The facts have shown that the GTX 680 is a moderate performing card, that's too bad then , NVIDIA will hopefully learn from this mistake as AMD did with their HD 2900 series ;)

                                                  It's only a VGA card but still I find it annoying when people try to evade the facts and take the propaganda for real

                                                  Anyways my last two cents on this case, gotta keep it clean ;)

                                                  That was sure a long winded way of not actually disputing a thing I said.  You said: "Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either."
                                                  Indeed, that is why I suggested others use the ENTIRE article and read another respected reviewer not just your singular example picked out of the entire review. And since you respect their review so much, obviously you must also respect the conclusion which is...
                                                  "In any case, this has ended up being a launch not quite like any other. With GTX 280, GTX 480, and GTX 580 we discussed how thanks to NVIDIA’s big die strategy they had superior performance, but also higher power consumption and a higher cost. To that extent this is a very different launch – the GTX 680 is faster, less power hungry, and quieter than the Radeon HD 7970. NVIDIA has landed the technical trifecta, and to top it off they’ve priced it comfortably below the competition.
                                                  Looking at the bigger picture, I think ultimately we still haven’t moved very far on the price/performance curve compared to where we’ve gone in past generations, and on that basis this is one of the smaller generational jumps we've seen for a GTX x80 product, or for that matter one of the smaller leads NVIDIA has had over AMD's top card. But even with NVIDIA’s conservative pricing we’re finally seeing 28nm translate into more performance for less, which of course is really what we're interested in. To that end, based on GK104’s die size I’m left wondering where GTX 680 is going to be sitting by the end of the year as 28nm production improves, as there’s clearly a lot of potential for price cuts in the future.
                                                  But in the meantime, in the here and now, this is by far the easiest recommendation we’ve been able to make for an NVIDIA flagship video card. NVIDIA’s drive for efficiency has paid off handsomely, and as a result they have once again captured the single-GPU performance crown."
                                                   
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:55 PM (permalink)
                                                    lulz i was waiting for you to drop that hammer Hemi
                                                     
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                                                      Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:30 PM (permalink)
                                                      Yeah, no 680's for me... I am skipping this round and waiting for the next.
                                                       
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                                                        Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:28 PM (permalink)
                                                        There have been a lot of off topic posts and personal attacks in this thread. I have cleaned up a lot of it. This warning is for everyone. Stay on topic, agree to disagree in a non conflicting manner. Any further TOS violations will not be met in kind.
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:10 AM (permalink)
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                                                          Yeah, no 680's for me... I am skipping this round and waiting for the next.


                                                          yeah; I would love to make the switch; 20% incresed performance; Lower operating co$t, but replacing 5 (580's) @ $2500, ( 7 if I replace the 590 ) Plus the risk of making sales across the internet, dealing with pay pal, strangers, knowing that want and need are two difrent things, This is something that I can wate until I win the lottery on. Once they get it folding, and I can compair folding results who knows, it would be fun to play with something new; Just not as much fun as staying out of debt.
                                                            
                                                               
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                                                            Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:39 AM (permalink)
                                                            i apologize for my part in it...sorry
                                                              

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