Does SATA III make that much difference?

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Does SATA III make that much difference? Monday, February 27, 2012 7:33 AM (permalink)
I am about ready for a revamp of the main guts of my machine and wondering if the speeds are really worth the k$$sh.  Is there a huge difference between SATA II and SATA III?  This is the first question I have in regards to the new upgrade and will say a lot about the push to do so...
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    Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Monday, February 27, 2012 7:39 AM (permalink)
    Sata III supports 6Gb/s rather than 3 Gb/s data rate. You get faster transfer speeds, which is useful for video editing, installing software faster, booting faster, gaming (load times), etc.
     



     
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      Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Monday, February 27, 2012 7:48 AM (permalink)
      rhussain


      Sata III supports 6Gb/s rather than 3 Gb/s data rate. You get faster transfer speeds, which is useful for video editing, installing software faster, booting faster, gaming (load times), etc.


      While the above is true, the Sata6 controler on the EVGA boards operates through a 1X Pcie lane so it is bandwidth limited, for a single drive you should get all the speed your paying for, BUT not in a raid configeration, the Sata II controler does not have this limatation, you should be able to get higher speeds, combining drives, because your not hitting a wall. Expect twice the speed from a sata III drive, but a wall about 500, wher as you can expect twice that speed combining sata II ports, so between 800-1000 with 4 drives.  
        
           
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        Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:40 AM (permalink)
        Kmoore, your posts raises a question. I was going to wait until I changed architectures to go to SSD's in RAID 0 since my E760 Classy only has SATA II. I figured SATA II would be a bottleneck for SATA III SSD's. Should I go ahead and buy the SSD's now (SATA III SSD's of course) and enjoy the speed earlier. Or just wait for a whole system upgrade a year from now when the new Intel chips and architectures come out?


         
         

         
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          Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:42 AM (permalink)
          I have  moved a drive, from a X58 board to another X58 board, but have never attempted it going from SataII to sataIII. on the Sata III you would need the drivers loaded before the windows Install. for raid.  your two sata III drives in raid 0 in the sata II ports should give the the same speed as a single sata III drive, around 500. that is also about the bottleneck speed of the 1X sata III in the latter X58 boards.
           
          Here are two Drives on the Sata 2, this is the X25-M Intel SSD, so reeds are limited. newer SSD's would be a little better
            


          I would not let the wait on a new board hold me back, when a secure erase, and a fresh install would make them as good as new.  
            
           

            
               
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            Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:29 AM (permalink)
            So what could I expect from two Crucial M4's (rated at 500mb/s each) in RAID 0. On SATA II or on SATA III. Would they both hit the same cap at around 500?
             
            and if the cap of SATA III is 500, there would be no point to run RAID 0 opposed to just running one drive at 500. Right?


             
             

             
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              Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:49 AM (permalink)
              Yes, the Marvell sata III controler is limited, you do not get the bennifit of raid, you will get the same speeds as a single SSD,  unless you invest in a PCIe controler card, with better bandwidth. the Intel ports do not have this problem, But also do NOT support the greater speeds of sata III, you would in essance be turning them into sata II drives as they are backwards compatable. You can get greater speed combining drives on the sata II ports, than you can y using the sata III ports.
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                Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:14 AM (permalink)
                So in short, buying 2 SSD's (RAID 0) with SATA 3 will give me the same performance regardless of being plugged into a SATA 2 or SATA 3 controller?


                 
                 

                 
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                  Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:27 AM (permalink)
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                    Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:33 PM (permalink)
                    Is it only the EVGA boards that send SATA 3 through PCIe1x or is that universal for the chipsets?
                     
                    I'm thinking of buying two Mushkin 240gb Chronos Deluxe. Or two 256gb Crucial M4's anyone have experience with either? Which is better?


                     
                     

                     
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                      Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:19 PM (permalink)
                      I just said **** it to the marvel controller and plugged my chronos deluxe into the Intel sata 2 port...that was 2 months ago and I have yet to change my mind.
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                        Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:20 PM (permalink)
                        How do you like the Mushkin so far? I love Mushkin and have been using their RAM for years.


                         
                         

                         
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                          Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:30 PM (permalink)
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                          rhussain


                          Sata III supports 6Gb/s rather than 3 Gb/s data rate. You get faster transfer speeds, which is useful for video editing, installing software faster, booting faster, gaming (load times), etc.


                          While the above is true, the Sata6 controler on the EVGA boards operates through a 1X Pcie lane so it is bandwidth limited, for a single drive you should get all the speed your paying for, BUT not in a raid configeration, the Sata II controler does not have this limatation, you should be able to get higher speeds, combining drives, because your not hitting a wall. Expect twice the speed from a sata III drive, but a wall about 500, wher as you can expect twice that speed combining sata II ports, so between 800-1000 with 4 drives.  

                          I've always wondered this, so this 3GB/s is PER port? 


                           
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                            Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:33 PM (permalink)
                            Thanks to kmoore's advise, I got two intel 520 240GB for AUD780.00 it was on a special deal only for today for my retailer and I grabbed the opportunity!! It will come handy when I upgrade to ivy bridge at a later stage!!!!
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                              Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:32 AM (permalink)
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                              Thanks to kmoore's advise, I got two intel 520 240GB for AUD780.00 it was on a special deal only for today for my retailer and I grabbed the opportunity!! It will come handy when I upgrade to ivy bridge at a later stage!!!!

                               
                              Awesome! Can you let me know how those work out for you?! We have the same CPU and mobo.


                               
                               

                               
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                                Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:00 PM (permalink)
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                                mudvari


                                Thanks to kmoore's advise, I got two intel 520 240GB for AUD780.00 it was on a special deal only for today for my retailer and I grabbed the opportunity!! It will come handy when I upgrade to ivy bridge at a later stage!!!!


                                Awesome! Can you let me know how those work out for you?! We have the same CPU and mobo.

                                no worries, man!! I will get it probably by monday and post some comparative test.
                                [UPDATE]
                                here you go bg8780, did some testing this morning. let the figures speak:
                                 
                                2x Corsair F120 120GB Raid 0 vs. 2x Intel 520 240GB Raid 0 all on SATA II connection. and that's what hardwarecanucks.com got on their raid 0 review on SATA II ports: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/51455-intel-520-240gb-ssd-raid-0-performance-review-11.html
                                hope that helps [to OP as well]!
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                                  Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:17 PM (permalink)
                                  Figures in the above post.

                                  The difference is pretty good, despite being on a sata 2 ports. And here is the same as-ssd bench in raid 0 http://www.hardwarecanuck...ormance-review-6.html.

                                  Also another thing I would to point is the stripe size: I used the default controller selected for these drives, I.e., 32k and allocation unit size is 16k. Just thought worth mentioning.
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                                    Re:Does SATA III make that much difference? Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:36 PM (permalink)
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                                    Is it only the EVGA boards that send SATA 3 through PCIe1x or is that universal for the chipsets?

                                    No, the Marvell controller (with the same design limitation) was used by a few different motherboard manufacturers, and it is not limited because of the X58's chipset, just the design of the 3rd party SATA controller 
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                    Xtrem

                                    I've always wondered this, so this 3GB/s is PER port?

                                    With the Intel controller, it is 3GB per port, but from what I have seen testing on my own board, you do not gain much by switching from 3 SSDs in RAID0 to 4 SSDs in RAID0.
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