GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour (Solved kinda)

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GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour (Solved kinda) Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:18 PM (permalink)
Recently I bought a 580SC, really happy with it too.
However, I realized there are more bottlenecks in a system than vid card alone, so I decided to renew my rig.
This time I wanted a GTX590.
However, in my country, an EVGA 590 was not to be found, so I had to settle for a Gainward 590 (so sorry for that EVGA) I hope for forgivness among the members
I reach to you because I have never seen so much expertice in the graphics dept than here.
OK, here it goes.
In game (Front Mission Evolved) I experienced from first visit, some strange stuff.
In some light conditions, heavy flickering, really annoying too.
Transparent structures appeared, like see through walls not really there.
Structures below the floor became visible.
Kinda light ray's shining through the invoronment.
Is this what you call "Artifacts"? (I'm non english)
I have tried this:
Clean driver install (Thanks maniac) 285.62 and yesterday 290.36
Toggled through both 59 and 60Mhz in 1920X1080 with and without MSIAA X2 and X4
No temp issue, this card really runs cool prox 40-50celcius (in game)
All in game measurements are normal, no peaks, no dip's. (MSI Aftergurner)
Stock clocking.
No CPU issues, stable and cool
VSYNC on&off
All ingame vid settings has been adjusted to low, then adjusted up again in steps.
Haven't tried other games, but my present game ran smooth on the 580 card.
I do not have any FPS measurements. (How do you guy's measure FPS?)
So guy's, any idea what this might be?
Any feedback would be most appreciated, I'm kinda stuck here.
 
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    Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:35 PM (permalink)
    Hmmm... make sure you have all the game patches installed.
    *Nvidia 290.36 is known to have some issues on (some) x58 systems, at this time 285.79 is the highest Nvidia driver version I would use on a x58 motherboard, 
     
    Try matching all the NVCP settings shown below

     
    Test with the above settings and your current driver.
     
    *If that does not work...
    --->try Nvidia 285.79 (properly uninstalling your current first) match the same NVCP settings and test again.
    If you still are seeing issues, you could try going all the way back to 270.61 also.  
     
    I have no experience with that game, but the above might help and is fairly quick and easy to do.
    Goodluck and report back
     
     
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      Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:56 PM (permalink)
      Most appreciated
      Will sure do
      I'll gather what suggestios I may get and do the work this weekend.
      The Game, Front Mission Evolved is kinda old, and running this game with a 5xx card should be a major overkill i think.
       
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        Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, December 02, 2011 12:03 AM (permalink)
        Yes, older games often do not like newer drivers...
        Thats why I suggested going back to 270.61. But dont try that until you have tested with the other options first.
         
        It is -very- important that you uninstall your drivers correctly when going so far back, or moving so far forward (from a older driver version) with Nvidia driversets.
         
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          Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, December 02, 2011 12:39 AM (permalink)
          I think I will be comfortable to go as far back as the current offical Nvidia driver.
          Going further back, well, then I will decide how other games behave.
          I have this strange gut feeling, that with this 590 card, and newest drivers, and my whole system, rip's this game to pieces. (This game is tecnichally a piece of junk) rel. date mid 2010
          Things in game that was never ment to be shown, now are revealed.
          I probably making a fool out of myself here, but that is what it feels/ seems like. 
          Oh and... All driver up/ downgrades, are done according to the fantastic post of yours maniac.
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            Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, December 02, 2011 9:10 AM (permalink)
            Check ur manufacturer's website for a 590 firmware update! If the game u have is DX11 try to run it in DX 10 mode. Firmware update is numbet one. Also download the unigen heaven benchmark from www.geforce.com. If that bench runs smooth without any issues then it's the game itself.
             
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              Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, December 02, 2011 11:59 AM (permalink)
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              Check ur manufacturer's website for a 590 firmware update! If the game u have is DX11 try to run it in DX 10 mode. Firmware update is numbet one. Also download the unigen heaven benchmark from www.geforce.com. If that bench runs smooth without any issues then it's the game itself.

               
              Do NOT update your firmware -ever- unless you have a TESTED temp problem (or 560) -and- you know how to SAVE your current video BIOS -before- you flash.
               
              Once you update your firmware, your cards original factory defalut voltage is GONE, and all you get is some added fan speed otions.
               
              I do not recommend anyone flash their videocard BIOS, unless 85% fan speed is not working to keep their cards temps down or they own a 560... everyone else would be well advised NOT to flash.
               

               
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                Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, December 02, 2011 12:19 PM (permalink)
                Firmware update is a piece of cake. Evga has an official update posted here:

                It sets the GTX590 max voltage to .963 which is required for DX11 stability. Sure it also unlocks fan performance if you use fans.

                A child could apply this update, just follow the instructions.
                 
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                  Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, December 02, 2011 4:12 PM (permalink)
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                  Firmware update is a piece of cake. Evga has an official update posted here:

                  It sets the GTX590 max voltage to .963 which is required for DX11 stability. Sure it also unlocks fan performance if you use fans.

                  A child could apply this update, just follow the instructions.


                  You misunderstood
                   
                  It did not say it was hard or difficult, I said it really should NOT be done by -anyone- without a TESTED issue!
                  -->and NOT -ever- without saving the originl BIOS and the default factory Powerstates with it.
                   
                  So for instance if didnt know your cards DEFAULT voltage (they ARE NOT THE SAME) and flashed, you could find yourself with a voltage (from the Updated BIOS flash) that is problematic....
                   
                  What the above poster fails to understand (like many users) is that the "Firmware Update" is a "One size fits all" voltage update, and as everyone knows that will work for some, and cause problems for others.
                   
                  All cards come from the factory with different volatges, some quite low and other quite high and most in the middle....
                  And as everyone knows, that difference can make a meaningful change in a cards behavior, both very good or sometimes not so much.
                  The BIOS update will give you ONE voltage level for all the cards.
                   
                  Experienced users avoid "Fan Speed" and "Nvidia global spec" updates, because we know what they do, and how they do it.
                   
                  These forums are filled with users who did the "Update" on their 590's and now wish they had NOT DONE IT.
                   
                  Some Novice users may feel it did something good for them, thats great.
                   
                  But experienced users know that Nvidia has changed the specs on these cards and reduced the voltage levels in the newer BIOS. That means less options, more heat and problems with stabilty.
                   
                  If your having issuses TEST
                  If you want to flash, do yourself a HUGE favor and save your original factory BIOS (and its unique voltage) before running off and putting in a one size fits all nerffed BIOS
                   
                  The BIOS flash is knida like saying a size 9 shoe will fit everybody..... as everyone knows, not really.
                   
                   
                   
                   
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                    Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, December 02, 2011 5:42 PM (permalink)
                    He He.....
                    My 590 stay's stock so far.
                    I'm not done yet, but last upgrade is promising.
                    I did the 285.79 update, from 290.36.
                    Also, I changed 3D settings:Gamma Correction from ON to OFF.
                    as suggested by maniac.
                    The rest of the 3D settings was as suggested.
                    First in-game testing after this was flawless.
                    Some game map's/ modes must be tested before any conclution can be made.
                    I'll be back. (uh, who said that?) 
                     
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                      Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:46 AM (permalink)
                      Hey again :-)
                      Well i promised to report back on my progress.
                      This is what I have done:
                      I have been going with those drivers:
                      285.62
                      285.79
                      290.36
                      With all those drivers I did prox all different video settings avalable, High and Low all, on and off all.
                      Very small differences.
                      Then yesterday, a small breakthrough:
                      With 285.79 driver installed, I disabled SLI.
                      Finally, the annoying flickering suddenly disappeared.
                      Picture became sharp and steady.
                      I have some small artifacts, but i think i will be able to live with that.
                      Also to combine an even older driver with SLI disabled would cure the game completely I guess. 
                      I choose to stay on 285.79 for a while, I also play Aliens vs Predators, so i can live with some small artifacts on a old game, while switching to AvP, all on max "on the fly"
                      Thank you so much for advice guy's^^
                       
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                        Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, April 06, 2012 7:29 PM (permalink)
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                        Do NOT update your firmware -ever- unless you have a TESTED temp problem (or 560) -and- you know how to SAVE your current video BIOS -before- you flash.

                        Once you update your firmware, your cards original factory defalut voltage is GONE, and all you get is some added fan speed otions.

                        I do not recommend anyone flash their videocard BIOS, unless 85% fan speed is not working to keep their cards temps down or they own a 560... everyone else would be well advised NOT to flash.

                        So, How do I save the current video BIOS?
                         
                        I would like to do that before considering updating to the latest firmware for my three GTX570 superclock cards (1572-AR's).
                        Thank you in advance.
                         
                         
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                          Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Friday, April 06, 2012 9:25 PM (permalink)
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                          maniacvvv

                          Do NOT update your firmware -ever- unless you have a TESTED temp problem (or 560) -and- you know how to SAVE your current video BIOS -before- you flash.

                          Once you update your firmware, your cards original factory defalut voltage is GONE, and all you get is some added fan speed otions.

                          I do not recommend anyone flash their videocard BIOS, unless 85% fan speed is not working to keep their cards temps down or they own a 560... everyone else would be well advised NOT to flash.

                          So, How do I save the current video BIOS?

                          I would like to do that before considering updating to the latest firmware for my three GTX570 superclock cards (1572-AR's).
                          Thank you in advance.



                          here is a link http://www.fanhow.com/knowhow:Save_video_card_BIOS_27580194
                          Run GPUZ and use the small icon (highlighted with red square), you can then save the original BIOS
                           
                          *Flashing to the new BIOS is easy as there is a flashing tool provided by EVGA.
                          Using your "backup" requires a good deal more work, so dont try it without reading up first or asking questions. 
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                            Re:GTX590 Strange ingame behaviour Saturday, April 07, 2012 6:04 AM (permalink)
                            maniacvvv

                            here is a link
                            Run GPUZ and use the small icon (highlighted with red square), you can then save the original BIOS

                            *Flashing to the new BIOS is easy as there is a flashing tool provided by EVGA.
                            Using your "backup" requires a good deal more work, so dont try it without reading up first or asking questions. 

                            Thank you, I will give that a try..
                             
                            Cheers,
                             
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