Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Afterburner)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:35:34 GMT

luv2increase

Relax fellow forum member. No one said I knew it all; I was just simply giving an alternate view of the situation and the reasoning behind it. I didn't realize that any member would be soft and touchy to it.

I never gave an absolute. I gave a probability. They are completely different. If you believe I know it all, then maybe to you my probability was assimilated into your brain as an absolute?

That is fantastic that you got the Classified, but we are talking about two completely different products here. If you believe the demand for the 759 Classified board is going to reach into the hundreds of thousands upon thousands as will the GT300 cards when they debut, then I'd say you need to reevaluate the situation because it is just illogical.

You gave your Classified situation as if it can be applied to the upcoming GT300 situation. I simply can't fathom how you'd believe there is even a hint of correlation whatsoever. It is beyond me but then again, I don't know it all.

Fact.... EVGA announces the facts, we can repeat them.

Fact.... You did not quantify your original comment in the post so I responded. Now you have. It is that simple.

That is all I was pointing out. Not poking at you.....

You just proved my point. Now your going in circles.... You said....

"A realist who ponder what scenario may occur which will constitute "limited availability". You aren't a realist. "

So I gave you a real example of a true limited addition, not a card that (With all intense and purposes) will be widely available (Assuming the manufactures get it right).

Now you want to say that my example is quote "I simply can't fathom how you'd believe there is even a hint of correlation whatsoever."

I am quite sure there is not two different definitions of "Limited Addition" just because one is a MOBO and the other is a GPU. it is and always will be at the discretion of EVGA not us on that matter.

And nope... not soft.. Just making things clear. My first post on the Step Up matter is as valid right now as it was when I posted it.

No one should post something as fact on the availability of a step up to the 300's until EVGA says it is or is not. Period.

Saying that it is most likely not going to be possible and here is why... totally makes since and is the right thing to do.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (freakysqeeky)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:01:04 GMT

All i can say is wow.
Bobblehead comes to mind.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:56:36 GMT

Afterburner

You know... In the past you have been very helpful, but I assure you, you are not teaching me anything. I have tried to give you the benefit of doubt. In this case I stand my ground. You made a statement, I responded to the statement. You have now Added to that for clarification, and it makes since. To a point. However, you seem to be trying to give the impression that you know it all. In this case your "Opinion" is perfectly logical and I can see that happening. But you do not "Know it all".

How soon folks forget.... Now try and explain this one away.... By using "Your" logic.... I never would have gotten a Classified motherboard, because EVGA always had a limited stock on hand. AND!!! They even called it a Limited Addition BAWhahahahaha. One of the hardest MOBO's to get in the first three months of release, in resent memory.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Interesting. Oh and!!!! I stepped up from a vanilla x58 to it.

My point still stands. Not a single member here can say without a doubt when they will release or what the future holds for the Step Up. Until EVGA Officially comes out to tell us the situation after the releases start, then we will know. ANd then those that said their guesses can say "I told you so" or "Man that is_____".... Until then, it is only an opinion and not fact. Even mine.... Period.

Relax fellow forum member. No one said I knew it all; I was just simply giving an alternate view of the situation and the reasoning behind it. I didn't realize that any member would be soft and touchy to it.

I never gave an absolute. I gave a probability. They are completely different. If you believe I know it all, then maybe to you my probability was assimilated into your brain as an absolute?

That is fantastic that you got the Classified, but we are talking about two completely different products here. If you believe the demand for the 759 Classified board is going to reach into the hundreds of thousands upon thousands as will the GT300 cards when they debut, then I'd say you need to reevaluate the situation because it is just illogical.

You gave your Classified situation as if it can be applied to the upcoming GT300 situation. I simply can't fathom how you'd believe there is even a hint of correlation whatsoever. It is beyond me but then again, I don't know it all.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Afterburner)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:39:11 GMT

luv2increase

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

Your words not mine...^^^

luv2increase

A realist who ponder what scenario may occur which will constitute "limited availability". You aren't a realist.

I did not call you anything or claim to know what type of person you are, please do not start doing so towards me.

luv2increase

Think. Think. Think.

edit: I feel like a school teacher telling my students to expand their minds in an abstract "thinking" exercise...
Just to clarify; I wholeheartedly believe that you will be able to step-up to the GT300 GPU by maybe Q3 or Q4 of next year. If you buy a GT200 GPU in December or January though and think that EVGA is going to have enough stock in to supply all their step-up demands, I'd say you are living in an alternate reality where humans can fly

You know... In the past you have been very helpful, but I assure you, you are not teaching me anything. I have tried to give you the benefit of doubt. In this case I stand my ground. You made a statement, I responded to the statement. You have now Added to that for clarification, and it makes since. To a point. However, you seem to be trying to give the impression that you know it all. In this case your "Opinion" is perfectly logical and I can see that happening. But you do not "Know it all".

How soon folks forget.... Now try and explain this one away.... By using "Your" logic.... I never would have gotten a Classified motherboard, because EVGA always had a limited stock on hand. AND!!! They even called it a Limited Addition BAWhahahahaha. One of the hardest MOBO's to get in the first three months of release, in resent memory.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Interesting. Oh and!!!! I stepped up from a vanilla x58 to it.

My point still stands. Not a single member here can say without a doubt when they will release or what the future holds for the Step Up. Until EVGA Officially comes out to tell us the situation after the releases start, then we will know. ANd then those that said their guesses can say "I told you so" or "Man that is_____".... Until then, it is only an opinion and not fact. Even mine.... Period.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Tigzxx)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:33:10 GMT

I wish i could fly!!!

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:14:00 GMT

Afterburner

luv2increase

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

Now I am fine with the back and forth, when it stays pleasant like this thread so far. Great Job BTW on all parties for the most part....

But I will not sit back and let anyone make a statement that has not yet been officially announced, one way or the other.

Going by your statement (Reading into it, not your words) we could not have stepped up the 9800 to the 200's... Not true....

I posted this question here (Link) and was directed to here (Link).

I think there is a 50/50 chance we will be able to step up. If I was to gamble and think of the needs of a business for sales in today's environment... Yes we will. If I am a realist, and read into the definitions... I think we will be able to Step Up.

We will know the deal once announced, and will not know for certain until then

Graphics Cards

EVGA will only release reference versions of its products, NVIDIA reference spec and clock, to the Step-Up program.
Step-Up is limited to pre-approved graphics cards only and can only be used for exchange to a different and higher performing GPU.
Products known to have a limited availablility will not be made available to the Step-Up program. (Limited availability determined by EVGA.)
Only graphics cards carrying limited lifetime warranty will be eligible, with the exception of cards in systems from an approved vendor.
Customers who received their EVGA graphics card as part of a complete computer system are not eligible - except for those listed on our approved system vendor list.
"I have recently purchased an EVGA graphics card which qualifies for the Step-Up program. What are my Step-Up options?"

9600GT → GTX 260 : YES
GTX 285 1GB → GTX 285 2GB : NO
GTX 275 → GTX 285 : YES
GTX 295 → GTX 285 : NO

A realist who ponder what scenario may occur which will constitute "limited availability". You aren't a realist.

The cards are going to sell like crazy so that will easily bring them to a "limited available" status. I can't fathom the availability being not in that status. We saw what happened to the 5850/5870. I can't imagine how much even harder it will be to purhcase a GT300 card. I can't see EVGA putting it on their approved cards list because they will have a hard enough time just keeping the cards in stock for their retail customers.

Think about it.

Think. Think. Think.

edit: I feel like a school teacher telling my students to expand their minds in an abstract "thinking" exercise...
Just to clarify; I wholeheartedly believe that you will be able to step-up to the GT300 GPU by maybe Q3 or Q4 of next year. If you buy a GT200 GPU in December or January though and think that EVGA is going to have enough stock in to supply all their step-up demands, I'd say you are living in an alternate reality where humans can fly

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Afterburner)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:57:23 GMT

luv2increase

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

Now I am fine with the back and forth, when it stays pleasant like this thread so far. Great Job BTW on all parties for the most part....

But I will not sit back and let anyone make a statement that has not yet been officially announced, one way or the other.

Going by your statement (Reading into it, not your words) we could not have stepped up the 9800 to the 200's... Not true....

I posted this question here (Link) and was directed to here (Link).

I think there is a 50/50 chance we will be able to step up. If I was to gamble and think of the needs of a business for sales in today's environment... Yes we will. If I am a realist, and read into the definitions... I think we will be able to Step Up.

We will know the deal once announced, and will not know for certain until then

Graphics Cards

EVGA will only release reference versions of its products, NVIDIA reference spec and clock, to the Step-Up program.
Step-Up is limited to pre-approved graphics cards only and can only be used for exchange to a different and higher performing GPU.
Products known to have a limited availablility will not be made available to the Step-Up program. (Limited availability determined by EVGA.)
Only graphics cards carrying limited lifetime warranty will be eligible, with the exception of cards in systems from an approved vendor.
Customers who received their EVGA graphics card as part of a complete computer system are not eligible - except for those listed on our approved system vendor list.
"I have recently purchased an EVGA graphics card which qualifies for the Step-Up program. What are my Step-Up options?"

9600GT → GTX 260 : YES
GTX 285 1GB → GTX 285 2GB : NO
GTX 275 → GTX 285 : YES
GTX 295 → GTX 285 : NO

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:05:59 GMT

I've been doing more research on the EVGA step-up.

Graphics Cards

EVGA will only release reference versions of its products, NVIDIA reference spec and clock, to the Step-Up program.
Step-Up is limited to pre-approved graphics cards only and can only be used for exchange to a different and higher performing GPU.
Products known to have a limited availablility will not be made available to the Step-Up program. (Limited availability determined by EVGA.)
Only graphics cards carrying limited lifetime warranty will be eligible, with the exception of cards in systems from an approved vendor.
Customers who received their EVGA graphics card as part of a complete computer system are not eligible - except for those listed on our approved system vendor list.
"I have recently purchased an EVGA graphics card which qualifies for the Step-Up program. What are my Step-Up options?"

9600GT → GTX 260 : YES
GTX 285 1GB → GTX 285 2GB : NO
GTX 275 → GTX 285 : YES
GTX 295 → GTX 285 : NO

The two bold areas above are reasons to believe it will be virtually "impossible" to step-up to the GT300 cards. The cards are going to sell like crazy so that will easily bring them to a "limited available" status. I can't fathom the availability being not in that status. We saw what happened to the 5850/5870. I can't imagine how much even harder it will be to purhcase a GT300 card. I can't see EVGA putting it on their approved cards list because they will have a hard enough time just keeping the cards in stock for their retail customers.

Think about it.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (merc.man87)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:46:31 GMT

Single gpu single card solution vs a dual gpu single card solution. It's not the same. Compare the 5970 to it, that's a fair comparison. It's like when people tried to compare the 4870x2 against the gtx 280, it's not fair. Anyone that does a comparison of apples vs oranges is obviously not in the right state of mind. The form factor may be the same, but the underlying specs and architecture are quite different.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:36:09 GMT

I was basing that off of what I've read others say on the forum. If EVGA has changed their minds, then that is excellent. I couldn't see why they would prohibit a step-up in the first place.

Only time will tell...

edit: I could have sworn people were talking about this in the old forum. I went back and searched and found a couple threads. It appears as though it is not yet confirmed. It has to be on the step-up list. I'm sure they will be.

http://www.evga.com/forum...step-up&#100973957

http://www.evga.com/forum...step-up&#100956961

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (theGryphon)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:18:52 GMT

nordicjedi

luv2increase

KMoore4318

I dont mind the delay, just wish they would tell us whither or not it will be step up able, and a ETA, so those of us waiting could buy a reasonable get by card, and know whither step up would be a posability. I dont even mind bad news, i just hate NO News.

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

As Shane has pointed out elsewhere, EVGA has not stated this, as the 300 series have yet to be released. Read the TOS for Step-ups for more information. I should point out that there was no issue with stepping up from the 7 series to 8 series, 8 series to 9 series, or 9 series to 200's. If EVGA chooses not to stepup videocards to the next generation, then it will be a departure from previous generations of cards. The only "architecture" prohibition currently is stepping up motherboards to a different chipset. Before the 680i - 780i limited stepups, there was no motherboard stepup program.

Yeah, who officially said there won't be such a Step-up when in all generation updates it was allowed??? Some people are acting like they're paid ATI sales personnel...

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (nordicjedi)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:58:10 GMT

luv2increase

KMoore4318

I dont mind the delay, just wish they would tell us whither or not it will be step up able, and a ETA, so those of us waiting could buy a reasonable get by card, and know whither step up would be a posability. I dont even mind bad news, i just hate NO News.

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

As Shane has pointed out elsewhere, EVGA has not stated this, as the 300 series have yet to be released. Read the TOS for Step-ups for more information. I should point out that there was no issue with stepping up from the 7 series to 8 series, 8 series to 9 series, or 9 series to 200's. If EVGA chooses not to stepup videocards to the next generation, then it will be a departure from previous generations of cards. The only "architecture" prohibition currently is stepping up motherboards to a different chipset. Before the 680i - 780i limited stepups, there was no motherboard stepup program.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (TheCrazyCanuck)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:42:26 GMT

KMoore4318

luv2increase

KMoore4318

I dont mind the delay, just wish they would tell us whither or not it will be step up able, and a ETA, so those of us waiting could buy a reasonable get by card, and know whither step up would be a posability. I dont even mind bad news, i just hate NO News.

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

Well then there is absolutly no point in spending another dime on Graghics cards regardless of whither it's jan 2010 or December 2112, Just wait until it comes out. ATI is out of the questin, They don't fold well, and a card you can't upgrade is like cash in the trash, so just put it in the bank untill someone get's around to releasing something.

The architecture before the 5 series held back the folding performance but that shouldn't be the case anymore. It'll be a while before there is a folding client that efficiently makes use of the new series.

P.S. I highly recommend using Firefox, it has a built in spellchecker that highlights typos :)

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (TheCrazyCanuck)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:37:16 GMT

Talonman

What exact speed increase %, is the 5 series in 'single and double precision calculation speed' over the 4 series?

New drivers still don't make a 5870 faster than a 295.

If you believe they do, try and find a link with thousands of benchmarks indicating this, like the one I posted.

Lets play link wars.

I will win that one!!

If ATI is going to be better than Fermi at GPU accelerated apps, ATI should put the word out.

The 5 series has the same IEEE754-2008 support including the new fused MAC instruction. I think the double precision speed is 1/5th the single precision so doubling the stream engines doubles the peak performance. The GT300 is supposed to have double precision that is 1/2 the single precision speed so at say 1500MHz x 512 shaders x 0.5 double operations/clock you are looking at 384GFlops double precision throughput. The 5870 achieves at 850Mhz * 1600 shaders * 0.2 double operations/clock you are looking at 272GFlops. Now each company will quote numbers that are twice as much since they count a MAC as two operations in a single cycle.... i.e. marketing people inflating numbers. So in raw throughput the ATI GPU performance is better with single precision (which is what graphics uses today) and the Nvidia GPU performs better with double precision. Also I pulled the 1500Mhz shader clock out of the air for the Nvidia GPU, I have no clue what it'll be.

Now all that said there are very few algorithms out there that'll make good use of that throughput. You have to work on vector data to reach these peak throughputs so some random algorithm on your PC probably will not fall in this boat. I was kinda hoping that Nvidia and ATI would implement radix 10 single/double precision math this time around..... oh well they are one step closer with the addition of IEEE745-2008.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (KMoore4318)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:59:28 GMT

luv2increase

KMoore4318

I dont mind the delay, just wish they would tell us whither or not it will be step up able, and a ETA, so those of us waiting could buy a reasonable get by card, and know whither step up would be a posability. I dont even mind bad news, i just hate NO News.

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

Well then there is absolutly no point in spending another dime on Graghics cards regardless of whither it's jan 2010 or December 2112, Just wait until it comes out. ATI is out of the questin, They don't fold well, and a card you can't upgrade is like cash in the trash, so just put it in the bank untill someone get's around to releasing something.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Nex_Lupus)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:37:06 GMT

honestly i still think we should take this with a grain of salt

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:27:28 GMT

KMoore4318

I dont mind the delay, just wish they would tell us whither or not it will be step up able, and a ETA, so those of us waiting could buy a reasonable get by card, and know whither step up would be a posability. I dont even mind bad news, i just hate NO News.

You will not be able to step-up to the GT300 from a GT200 or any other Nvidia card for that matter.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (KMoore4318)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:29:55 GMT

I dont mind the delay, just wish they would tell us whither or not it will be step up able, and a ETA, so those of us waiting could buy a reasonable get by card, and know whither step up would be a posability. I dont even mind bad news, i just hate NO News.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:26:48 GMT

theGryphon

Yeah, he knows he's not beating it even with his i7 system with that 5870

Talonman's point here is that the 5870 cannot decisively beat the current single card king, which is the GTX295. Bringing up the immature drivers is technically valid but that much with ATI because we all know that those drivers are not getting mature any time soon, lol... On the other hand, nobody brought the OC'ing ability of cards and we all know that a GTX295 is much more OC'able than a 5870, on the average I might add. All those reviews do not OC at all so, I'd say on an average user clocks a GTX295 will always beat a 5870 in most of the games, let's say in all games that doesn't notoriously like ATI cards. What does this say, you might ask. It says what it says, that ATI's newest generation single GPU couldn't beat Nvidia's old generation single card. So what, you might ask. Well, you decide on that one...

I'm sorry, but I'll just have to agree to disagree with everything you had written in your post except about the immature driver issue. That indeed was valid.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (theGryphon)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:21:41 GMT

Yeah, he knows he's not beating it even with his i7 system with that 5870

Talonman's point here is that the 5870 cannot decisively beat the current single card king, which is the GTX295. Bringing up the immature drivers is technically valid but that much with ATI because we all know that those drivers are not getting mature any time soon, lol... On the other hand, nobody brought the OC'ing ability of cards and we all know that a GTX295 is much more OC'able than a 5870, on the average I might add. All those reviews do not OC at all so, I'd say on an average user clocks a GTX295 will always beat a 5870 in most of the games, let's say in all games that doesn't notoriously like ATI cards. What does this say, you might ask. It says what it says, that ATI's newest generation single GPU couldn't beat Nvidia's old generation single card. So what, you might ask. Well, you decide on that one...

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (freakysqeeky)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:52:50 GMT

luv2increase

Ha ha very funny...

Let's be serious. 1024x768... Either you are joking, or I'm prohibited from saying it.

Made me laugh.
Wondered if you could beat it.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:45:04 GMT

Ha ha very funny...

Let's be serious. 1024x768... Either you are joking, or I'm prohibited from saying it.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Talonman)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:34:07 GMT

luv2increase

Talonman

Now I understand...

That is going to be hard to show...

I would love to see your 295 -vs- a single 5870 data.

Name the benchmark

OK...

Vantage with PhysX enabled!

How about this?

One 295 @ 621/1512/1188, Q6600@ 3.81GHz.

Or this...
One 295 @ 621/1512/1188, Q6600@ 3.81GHz.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Talonman)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:33:10 GMT

Tigzxx

Talonman

I brought more than you... Where are you links?

Even in your ATI article, the 295 was on top in performance.
(I know... just old benchmarks yet again)

ATI has yet to beat the performance of a 295 with a single GPU.

Where is the article stating how the new drivers enabled the crown to go over to the 5870 from the 295? Man-O.

You are comparing a dual Gpu (GTX295) with mature drivers to a single Gpu card, the 5870 with imature drivers. The bottom line is the 5870 is the fastest single Gpu card in the world right now, and two 5870's crush the 295 as do two 5750's. Lets wait till the 5970 comes to the table with good drivers and then we can compare who has the crown with the fastest dual Gpu card.

Yes, I agree (2) 5870's ($$$$$), will beat a single 295, but that's not what he is selling...

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:28:41 GMT

Talonman

Now I understand...

That is going to be hard to show...

I would love to see your 295 -vs- a single 5870 data.

Name the benchmark

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Tigzxx)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:28:39 GMT

Talonman

I brought more than you... Where are you links?

Even in your ATI article, the 295 was on top in performance.
(I know... just old benchmarks yet again)

ATI has yet to beat the performance of a 295 with a single GPU.

Where is the article stating how the new drivers enabled the crown to go over to the 5870 from the 295? Man-O.

You are comparing a dual Gpu (GTX295) with mature drivers to a single Gpu card, the 5870 with imature drivers. The bottom line is the 5870 is the fastest single Gpu card in the world right now, and two 5870's crush the 295 as do two 5750's. Lets wait till the 5970 comes to the table with good drivers and then we can compare who has the crown with the fastest dual Gpu card.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Talonman)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:26:59 GMT

Now I understand...

That is going to be hard to show...

I would love to see your 295 -vs- a single 5870 data.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (luv2increase)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:25:26 GMT

Talonman

Where is the article stating how the new drivers enabled the crown to go over to the 5870 from the 295? Man-O.

This is from my own comparisons, looking at benchmarks and derived from common sense of how drivers and GPUs work of each other.

I haven't seen any benchmarks to my knowledge that aren't from the second week of September to throughout the first week of the card's release. I believe there were a couple comparing the 5870/5850 too.

If you want to be fare about it, you'd compare the 5870 "release" benchmarks to the GTX295 "release" benchmarks.
That is a real head spinner to fathom isn't it

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Deathrend)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:21:59 GMT

If ATI can make Eyefinity work with Crossfire.. I'm going to go to the dark side.. I can't take the hit from using a single card, but if they make it work with the 5970's.. then *drool*..

For now.. SLI with two screens.. not spanned will work for me I guess.

Re:Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards (Talonman)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:30:24 GMT

I brought more than you... Where are you links?

Even in your ATI article, the 295 was on top in performance.
(I know... just old benchmarks yet again)

ATI has yet to beat the performance of a 295 with a single GPU.

Where is the article stating how the new drivers enabled the crown to go over to the 5870 from the 295? Man-O.