How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now?

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (ryandigweed)

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:37:38 GMT

good Luck. :D sounds like a good plan :D

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:26:04 GMT

I checked out a replacement board and just figured that since everyone is telling me that green drives are not good for mirroring, I will start over and do it right. I spent $50 bucks on 3 external drives and already sold one for $60, the other (the broken one that this thread is about) will sell for at least $20 and the other 1 tb western digital external works like a champ and I have already backed up everything to it so in the end, I made out like a bandit.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (ryandigweed)

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:09:53 GMT

By the way, if the board looks burn, it most probably is. And most harddrives are fixed by board replacement. It's just rare cases when the Harddrive becomes a totally screwed that you'll have to open it up to take a look at the disk :)

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 07:16:41 GMT

I tried in vein to fix it but it just wasn't happening. One of the clips broke on me while putting it back together so I listed it on ebay as-is/ for parts or not working and I already got a bid on it for what I bought it for so nothing lost and maybe something gained I guess.
Looking at all my files, I think 2 tb is overkill. I think I may save up and buy a pair of 1 terabyte black drives new and mirror those. Maybe by the time I have enough saved, the price will drop a little more.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (ryandigweed)

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:36:39 GMT

agent8

I just wanted some sort of redundancy with low power to save all my files. I suppose it wouldn't be the end of the word to keep using an external back up. I've lost to much over the years due to hard drives failing and now this just strengthens my beliefs.

Totally Feel you on that man. Had similar experiences.

Well to fix hardrives, i used to use some Hard disk doctor, or some spin rite. The hard disk doctor actually worked. The 80GB drive wouldnt boot at all, but the hard disk doctor took 2 days to eliminate the bad sectors, and it started working after that, Although i don't know if that would work on an SSD.

Didn't the guy on craigslist give you some sort of a checking warranty to check the drive?

Good Luck with your hard drive issues mate.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (Simba123)

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:24:12 GMT

Technically, open an external enclosure voids the warranty. If you manage to get it back together and there isn't any physical damage to the enclosure (evidence that you opened it) you may get lucky.

I did recently. Had 2 WD drives (1tb Mybook and a 500g USB) crap out within 2 days of each other.
I opened the external to plug the drive directly into the computer but it was dead. sent back (cost me $65 as I'm in Australia and had to send them to Singapore! ) and they honoured the warranty.
Even sent me a USB3 version of the MyBook which was nice.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (shrekdaklown)

Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:54:56 GMT

would cause the recognization failure

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:27:46 GMT

Would a bad board cause those types of failures? Last time I bought a new board it didn't work but maybe it was a different problem on that other hd.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (shrekdaklown)

Sun, 03 Jun 2012 06:04:38 GMT

if they dont look on ebay for the pcb board i have changed those in the past and brought drives back from the grave

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:21:26 GMT

just the external encloser was opened not the drive itself but I will see what I can do.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (rjohnson11)

Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:57:45 GMT

If you open a drive you might have voided the warranty.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:13:13 GMT

Western digital let me register it and says the hd warranty is still good. But it shows up registered as a mybook external drive so I am going to have to somehow try to put this brick back together....
I guess it's worth a shot.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:14:19 GMT

Ok, I tried changing ports and cables but it is not happening. Windows 7 instals drivers for the disk and it shows up but will not initialize due to i/o error and hd tune shows red and locks again. Removing it I saw this....

Is it me or does that look toasty and burnt? Would that cause the errors I am getting? Could it just be a board?

Also, Why does wd put a warranty sticker on the hd if they won't honor it. I am assuming since I bought it used, don't have a receipt and the fact that I opend it up from inside an external my book case, I am SOL?

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (KenMcC)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:35:32 GMT

Mac, I do not understand your sentence structure. " What is 'File History' is even less thant window 7's backup? " As I said Windows 7 backup DOES NOT interfere or affect othe operation PERIOD!! You should try it for 2 years in daily operations with No problems what so ever.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (Mac_vista64)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:37:56 GMT

I never "see" Metro except once, when I boot, and again when I restart.sleep.shutdown.... seriously.
File History is even less intrusive than Windows 7's backup that would interfere or affect other operations (hard to believe but was not impressed).
It is hard to "sell" without glitz probably - show people doing family photos and such. Most people I know have itunes while they work which I find crazy (and I avoid Apple s/w like plague)

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (KenMcC)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:17:04 GMT

OK, Windows 7 Has a Built in Backup program that I have been using since it came out. Very Successfully, I might add. I have restored (due to my mistakes/adding bad programs or incorrectly installing them) my OS boot disk and my DATA very well. I have it programmed to back up my stuff every night, in my case at 8:00 p.m. Sometimes I am using the PC at that time, but the backup Windows backup software just chuggs along as does the backup. It can do this as it makes a virtual copy which eliminates any issues with a program you are using Locking a file.
P.S. I know many people do not trust backup software they did not pay for, and I was one of them... but this really works well.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:52:38 GMT

WOW, just watched the preview for windows 8. It was like 1 minute and 24 seconds of a facebook OS. It boasts about saving time but I would waste more time with that social crap. I use computers so I DON'T have to interact with people as personally, LuLz. I will look into some free programs for now and keep using my external.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (Mac_vista64)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:31:35 GMT

public previews. Yesterday was the 3rd (Dev Preview, Consumer, now Release Preview)
And yes it seems to me have been for all three better response and performance than 7 had been on same 3 PCs.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/download

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:13:38 GMT

Mac_vista64

Windows 8 is free, it has File History that works hourly and keeps file revisions. There are other programs, maybe some free, but I never liked any of the ones I've tried using (Acronis, Ghost, Paragon has more than a few).
Also if you have multiple computers File History can be shared and used by any other PC on your LAN.

I thought W8 isn't out till October? Is there a way to get a beta somehow and is it stable?

I've spent so much money on this stupid htpc/back up system dream that if I was pmed a link to a shady interwebz site where a 1 armed man in a black cloak sold a jedi version of windows 8, I'd probably not give a squirt at this point.

Bought htpc but can not do windows remote on w7 so I spent a crap load on kvm set up and longer vga cables then issues with DNLA and tv don't work so I had to run flat hdmi under the carpet, stuttering with hi def video because the onboard is not enough so I had to buy a gt430, got second hard drive but w7 home premium doesn't do mirroring, got w7 ultimate (which fixes remote issue ) and now the hard drive is broke and now windows 8? UGGG!!!! I hate computers

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (Mac_vista64)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:51:41 GMT

Windows 8 is free, it has File History that works hourly and keeps file revisions. There are other programs, maybe some free, but I never liked any of the ones I've tried using (Acronis, Ghost, Paragon has more than a few).
Also if you have multiple computers File History can be shared and used by any other PC on your LAN.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:31:46 GMT

The problem with any kind of online back up is that I get 700 down 100 up on a GOOD day. My dsl sucks and there is no better where I live. Maybe if I could do something that would work automatically during the wee hours of the night that would work. By some miracle, I can watch netflix although it looks like pixel puke (especially on a 65" screen) but if my wife even checks her email, I am stuck in buffer city. Maybe I will try to find some free back up storage online that allows scheduling. That would be cool but I doubt I will find much.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (KenMcC)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:26:04 GMT

OK, here is 1 other solution. You could use Microsoft Backup to copy the 1 backup drive/drive in use to the GREEN drive you bought. If the Green drive is good (use WD tool to do a low level reformat) then run the MS Windows Backup daily. IMO you do not need a mirror drive, just a second backup. Good Luck.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (feniks)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:49:23 GMT

I read that some recent black series are cursed, the last time I bought a lot of them for company use was a year ago and none of them shows any trouble.

you might try, but first google the model number before purchase to see if any trouble threads come up, especially be on the lookout of issues getting replicated among different users.

I keep my 1.5TB caviar green still in system, solely for Acronis IT (free WD edition) backups only, I just do them manually from time to time...

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (shrekdaklown)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:48:53 GMT

that what i would do myself to be safe right now i just have a 500gb a 1.5 tb and a 2tb for all my junk i wanna raid my 2tb when i get the money but that can wait till after new gpu

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:43:01 GMT

Would it be stupid to buy two new black 1tb drives and mirror those and keep the working green in there? I don't NEED to back up every singe movie I own and pics and music don't take that much space. It's just hard because it seems that all the reviews are showing what looks to be like a ton of bad batches with failures all over even on the black drives. The 1tb are wayyyy cheaper too.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (feniks)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:29:20 GMT

yes, mirroring is a very good solution to rpevent physical hard drive failures, I agree on that 100%, used to run 2 mirror arrays on former system.

it's just not gonna run right with caviar greens ... that's all... try it and see. I know it was a failure for me.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (agent8)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:21:44 GMT

I just wanted some sort of redundancy with low power to save all my files. I suppose it wouldn't be the end of the word to keep using an external back up. I've lost to much over the years due to hard drives failing and now this just strengthens my beliefs.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (feniks)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:38:39 GMT

green + mirror = ultimate fail.

never put green (non-RE) caviars in any raid array ... I tried that in mirror setup and it was locking up and lagging like hell, it won't work especially if you start moving big files or making it read a lot of small ones.
either get black caviars or enterprise class caviar RE4 drives for raid, they run best.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (Mac_vista64)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:32:43 GMT

Green + mirror = ?
WD did have RE-series in their Green model line.
I've seen a mess with people using Seagate 3TB green so maybe part of the same "batch."
When Seagate lost some of their cooks that serviced their firmware, like any good establishment if you lose your cooks your goose is cooked.
I'd have looked for a case with built in mirror (done from the drive case bridge).
Windows 8 has Storage Spaces which will gladly (it it can mount and use a drive of course).
I thought you were going to use Intel RST for mirror at first.
Intel RST will also use additional drives if you allow to be part of a recovery set. that might actually do what you want, or use Intel RST to build mirror rather than from BIOS level.

Re:How did this hard drive bull crap happen and what should I do now? (feniks)

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:27:03 GMT

yeah, first try a different sata cable or even another sata port on MB.

once it works, don't forget to update the firmware! some old revisions were very buggy and affecting the read/write speeds greatly (no bad blocks though), latest is v5.0.2 and it can be updated from within Windows even if it s a system drive - also make a full partition backup before you start the update though, it's recommended by manufacturer, however I never experienced any kind of data loss on my end:
http://www.mushkin.com/Di...SDs/MKNSSDCR120GB.aspx