﻿<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"><channel><title>Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's</title><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/</link><description /><copyright>(c) EVGA Forums</copyright><ttl>30</ttl><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (cj3waker)</title><description>  on any product I have refused delivery on I have always received a full refund &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  the fanbois are awful here, most of us have moved on to OCN or [H] &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1525519</link><pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:12:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (python)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;kzinti1&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; I wasn't bashing anybody. I asked a simple question about returning merchandise and then I got flamed.  &lt;br&gt; I have nothing at all against EVGA. Never have and I doubt if I ever will.  &lt;br&gt; I've never been flamed so much at any Forum as I have at EVGA's. Just for asking simple questions, that should've been directly answered by the Mods, instead&amp;nbsp;of the flaming fanboyz that take every post as a directed insult towards them.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt; unbelievable isnt it? &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1524809</link><pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:19:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (jewie27)</title><description>  EVGA Precision. &amp;nbsp;Nuff said. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1524739</link><pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:58:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (Afterburner)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;kzinti1&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  I wasn't bashing anybody. I asked a simple question about returning merchandise and then I got flamed.  &lt;br&gt;  I have nothing at all against EVGA. Never have and I doubt if I ever will.  &lt;br&gt;  I thoroughly resent the voltage limitations put in place by Nvidia, which I did not know before purchase.  &lt;br&gt;  It's now clear that Nvidia will be doing this sort of thing from now on.  &lt;br&gt;  Even the newer ones will have the same voltage limitations in place.  &lt;br&gt;  So I have no reason to not keep these cards.  &lt;br&gt;  Especially since I just bought a matching pair of waterblocks and backplates from EVGA.  &lt;br&gt;  Now I'm trying to find the proper SLi-connectors for these blocks.  &lt;br&gt;  I guess I'll just use the compression fittings and a piece of tubing until I buy a new Ivy-Bridge cpu and motherboard.&amp;nbsp;  &lt;br&gt;  Then I'll know the proper SLi-connector to buy after I know what the PCIe slot spacing will be on whatever Ivy-Bridge motherboard I end up buying for these cards.  &lt;br&gt;  I've never been flamed so much at any Forum as I have at EVGA's. Just for asking simple questions, that should've been directly answered by the Mods, instead&amp;nbsp;of the flaming fanboyz that take every post as a directed insult towards them.  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  Just for&amp;nbsp;clarification...&amp;nbsp;All&amp;nbsp;of us Moderators are&amp;nbsp;volunteers&amp;nbsp;that do not work for EVGA.&amp;nbsp;This&amp;nbsp;question looks to be an EVGA&amp;nbsp;question&amp;nbsp;that a quick phone call could answer. I thought like you are, that someone would be along to see this.&amp;nbsp;Sorry&amp;nbsp;that did not happen.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1524525</link><pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:08:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (71 cuda)</title><description>  but there is one diff  &lt;br&gt; the stock basic ref card and the SC cards have 2 6 pin power connectors,,the hydro-FTW cards have 1 6-pin and 1 8-pin power connector,,,running at 1200+core,,if u want&amp;nbsp;high clocks,,this is prolly the one.. great for benching,,,not needed for real world gaming.. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1524508</link><pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:53:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (Onabigon)</title><description>  so You are keeping them i think thats a wise choice and i think you will be happy if not im sure you can step up or just sell them you could get a fair offer.... &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1524425</link><pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:31:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (kzinti1)</title><description>  I wasn't bashing anybody. I asked a simple question about returning merchandise and then I got flamed. &lt;br&gt;  I have nothing at all against EVGA. Never have and I doubt if I ever will. &lt;br&gt;  I thoroughly resent the voltage limitations put in place by Nvidia, which I did not know before purchase. &lt;br&gt;  It's now clear that Nvidia will be doing this sort of thing from now on. &lt;br&gt;  Even the newer ones will have the same voltage limitations in place. &lt;br&gt;  So I have no reason to not keep these cards. &lt;br&gt;  Especially since I just bought a matching pair of waterblocks and backplates from EVGA. &lt;br&gt;  Now I'm trying to find the proper SLi-connectors for these blocks. &lt;br&gt;  I guess I'll just use the compression fittings and a piece of tubing until I buy a new Ivy-Bridge cpu and motherboard.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  Then I'll know the proper SLi-connector to buy after I know what the PCIe slot spacing will be on whatever Ivy-Bridge motherboard I end up buying for these cards. &lt;br&gt;  I've never been flamed so much at any Forum as I have at EVGA's. Just for asking simple questions, that should've been directly answered by the Mods, instead&amp;nbsp;of the flaming fanboyz that take every post as a directed insult towards them. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1524240</link><pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:21:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (Onabigon)</title><description>  To the op, you deal with it! This has nothing to do with these cards,&amp;nbsp;I thought this was a forum about you returning the cards(defevtive) but it turns out its a card bashing, people bashing thread.&amp;nbsp; Like cmon its the first of its kind and you jumped on the first thing running to get this card. You&amp;nbsp;really think evga would start releasing the non referance cards that will have way more overclocking ability on release day, i would never dream of it. because where would they go from there? backwards! so for your problem "i don't want these cards because they have limited oc ability."&amp;nbsp; Well this is true it does but so did all other referance cards. therefore who needs to do there homework if that is your only problem with the cards then you should have known they would be limited as all other referance cards usually have limited options. so its your bad that you jumped on the 680 band wagon a few days to early before the superclocks were posted. so please send them back if you want and don't mention it to us here that are really doing homework because we want real resons we want to know if there are defective cards manufacture defects driver problems all that good stuff we don't want to know that you made a boo boo and are not happy that these are referance and not the classified editions so please get real and keep it real! &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518860</link><pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:35:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (bcb325ci)</title><description>  Ok to stay on topic...is the OP even going to comment if he is still planning of refusing delivery. I am sure by now he has refused or just keep the card. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518854</link><pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:29:35 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (dionysus2112)</title><description>  So last night my EVGA GTX680 arrived, and although I haven&amp;rsquo;t really had a whole lot of time to really do some hard core testing this is what I have concluded in the short few hours with it. &lt;br&gt;  If you take a look at my sig you&amp;rsquo;ll notice that I have an Asus Matrix GTX580 it&amp;rsquo;s a beautifully designed card and one of, if not the very best GTX580 on the market. &lt;br&gt;  But it has 2 things that I couldn&amp;rsquo;t live with anymore tone of exhaust heat and fan noise, this has led me to the reasons I decided to actually sell it and switch to this Kepler based designed card was simple. &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  This is a personal observation: &lt;br&gt;  The GTX580 runs a lot hotter and even though the Matrix 580 has a great cooler the heat exhausted from this card made my room warm and I mean literally warm so if I decided to overclock say 950 MHz I would run the fans at 100% which was damn loud. &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  On top of that it pulls more wattage from the wall relative to the 680 so I save there not a lot but over the course of ownership I save money period. Moreover we get all the new added bennies from the new architecture, new AA, adaptive Vsync less power consumptions less fan noise etc and of courses the 20% or so performance gains depending on the GAMES, so to me CUDA doesn&amp;rsquo;t matter. &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  Ok so for the few hours with the card I ran a few synthetic benches&amp;rsquo; 3Dmark, Heaven etc. all RESULTS were better than my previous result benched on the Matrix GTX580 and the GTX680is not yet tweaked just stock settings. &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  Later on I played 2 rounds of BF3 here I decided to go ultra on all settings 23&amp;rdquo; monitor at 1920 x1200, were before I had mostly High settings on the results with the GTX680 gained me10 to 20 FPS on average depending on the area, again no overclock and more importantly for me the room wasn&amp;rsquo;t hot and I was pulling less power, less fan noise better overall all image quality. So it&amp;rsquo;s really hard to see an argument on top of that its less money than the competition for top end which is a surprise given this is now the performance leader and not a traditional thing when it come from Nvidia. My2 cents. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518835</link><pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:12:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (python)</title><description>  i apologize for my part in it...sorry &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518806</link><pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 06:39:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (KMoore4318)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;chrisdglong&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Yeah, no 680's for me... I am skipping this round and waiting for the next.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; yeah; I would love to make the switch; 20% incresed performance; Lower operating co$t, but replacing 5 (580's) @ $2500, ( 7 if I replace the 590 ) Plus the risk of making sales across the internet, dealing with pay pal, strangers, knowing that want and need are two difrent things, This is something that I can wate until I win the lottery on. Once they get it folding, and I can compair folding results who knows, it would be fun to play with something new; Just not as much fun as staying out of debt. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518661</link><pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:10:12 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (Afterburner)</title><description>  There have been a lot of off topic posts and personal attacks in this thread. I have cleaned up a lot of it. This warning is for everyone. Stay on topic, agree to disagree in a non conflicting manner. Any further TOS violations will not be met in kind. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518349</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:28:35 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (chrisdglong)</title><description>  Yeah, no 680's for me... I am skipping this round and waiting for the next. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518150</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:30:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (BioHazardSperm)</title><description>  lulz i was waiting for you to drop that hammer Hemi &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1518073</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:55:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (HeavyHemi)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Gold Leader&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;HeavyHemi&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;      &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Gold Leader&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;       &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;manny8127&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;        &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.        &lt;br&gt;  &lt;/blockquote&gt;        &lt;br&gt;  No as factual numbers not even a single chance.       &lt;br&gt;  a single GTX 590 rapes a GTX 680, a 590 has 1024 Fermi CUDA cores which are faster but lower clocked than the 1536 Kepler CUDA cores...       &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  Dual GTX 590's will crush Dual 680's in almost every aspect, don't worry if you have Quad SLI and you know how to master it you have nothing to fear.       &lt;br&gt;  Here's a neat article showing that the GTX 590 like the HD 6990 beat the GTX 690 in every aspect:       &lt;br&gt;  &lt;a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.anandtech.com/...force-gtx-680-review/7&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  As you can see most tests the GTX 680 scores best at the lower reso's as where the HD 7970, GTX 590 &amp;amp; HD 6990 have the highest FPS in the higher reso's even the 580's aren't doing that far behind the 680's either.       &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  As for computing power the HD 7970 annihilates it rofl       &lt;br&gt;  &lt;a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/17" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.anandtech.com/...orce-gtx-680-review/17&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;img src="http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5699/45163.png" /&gt;  &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  Even the HD 7870 beats the GTX 680, so yeah the 680 isn't much of a high end card it's the Mid end card which was going to be named GTX 660, and this is how most people see it, it's just&amp;nbsp; not much of a great card this time, GTX 285, 480 and GTX 580 were marvelous designs GTX 680 is a failure imo, like it or not, it's my verdict.       &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  I'd advise GTX 580 3GB's &amp;amp; HD 7970 3GB's over these mid end cards any day.       &lt;br&gt;  &lt;/blockquote&gt;       &lt;br&gt;  Seems you decided to pick Compute as the defining characteristic of performance....Your own article says...      &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  &lt;b&gt;Apparently NVIDIA has put absolutely no time into optimizing their now  all-important Kepler compiler for SmallLuxGPU, choosing to focus on  games instead. While that doesn&amp;rsquo;t make it clear how much of GTX 680&amp;rsquo;s  performance is due to the compiler versus a general loss in compute  performance, it does offer at least a slim hope that NVIDIA can improve  their compute performance&lt;/b&gt;.      &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  The entire review, (and others for example Guru3D) demonstrate this is a good value and a well performing card.      &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  &lt;a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.anandtech.com/...geforce-gtx-680-review&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  &lt;img src="http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5699/45150.png" /&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;/blockquote&gt;      &lt;br&gt;  Still not impressed that 2x 512CUDA cores of the GTX 590 are faster than the GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, so here some valuable Points for you &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/s1.gif" alt="" /&gt;   &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  Point A: GTX 590's CUDA Cores are Clocked Lower, but are faster than GTX 680's CUDA Cores    &lt;br&gt;  Point B: GTX 590 has a lower amount of CUDA cores, 2x 512 = 1024 CUDA Cores, compared to GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, but it's faster than the GTX 680.     &lt;br&gt;  Point C: The CUDA Cores of the GTX 500 series are far more powerful per CUDA Core / per Mhz than that of GTX 680.   &lt;br&gt;  Point D: The GTX 680 needs a lot of CUDA Cores at very high speeds to keep up or defeat the old generation? That does not make sense.   &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  The GTX 580's were already aimed at gaming, so what you say I find irrelevant. It seems you like to wander around the facts and take the propaganda for real, now where have I seen similar things before? heh just curious &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/001_rolleyes.gif" alt="" /&gt;     &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either.     &lt;br&gt;  The facts have shown that the GTX 680 is a moderate performing card, that's too bad then , NVIDIA will hopefully learn from this mistake as AMD did with their HD 2900 series ;)     &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  It's only a VGA card but still I find it annoying when people try to evade the facts and take the propaganda for real &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/001_rolleyes.gif" alt="" /&gt;     &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  Anyways my last two cents on this case, gotta keep it clean ;)   &lt;br&gt;  &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  That was sure a long winded way of not actually disputing a thing I said.&amp;nbsp; You said: &lt;b&gt;"Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either."&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  Indeed, that is why I suggested others use the ENTIRE article and read another respected reviewer not just your singular example picked out of the entire review. And since you respect their review so much, obviously you must also respect the conclusion which is...  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;b&gt;"In any case, this has ended up being a launch not quite like any other.  With GTX 280, GTX 480, and GTX 580 we discussed how thanks to NVIDIA&amp;rsquo;s  big die strategy they had superior performance, but also higher power  consumption and a higher cost. To that extent this is a very different  launch &amp;ndash; the GTX 680 is faster, less power hungry, and quieter than the  Radeon HD 7970. NVIDIA has landed the technical trifecta, and to top it  off they&amp;rsquo;ve priced it comfortably below the competition.&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;b&gt;Looking at the bigger picture, I think ultimately we still haven&amp;rsquo;t  moved very far on the price/performance curve compared to where we&amp;rsquo;ve  gone in past generations, and on that basis this is one of the smaller  generational jumps we've seen for a GTX x80 product, or for that matter  one of the smaller leads NVIDIA has had over AMD's top card. But even  with NVIDIA&amp;rsquo;s conservative pricing we&amp;rsquo;re finally seeing 28nm translate  into more performance for less, which of course is really what we're  interested in. To that end, based on GK104&amp;rsquo;s die size I&amp;rsquo;m left wondering  where GTX 680 is going to be sitting by the end of the year as 28nm  production improves, as there&amp;rsquo;s clearly a lot of potential for price  cuts in the future.&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;b&gt;But in the meantime, in the here and now, this is by far the easiest  recommendation we&amp;rsquo;ve been able to make for an NVIDIA flagship video  card. NVIDIA&amp;rsquo;s drive for efficiency has paid off handsomely, and as a  result they have once again captured the single-GPU performance crown."&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1517995</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:15:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (KMoore4318)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;python&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;KMoore4318&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;python&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; 20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; So you would rather mandate the worker take it off the truck do so for free, the individual that inspects it and put it back in stock for free, the shipping material eaten, by the company, or added to the cost of the next guys purchase. Go by u-haul and see what the box and package material cost, Lets un-pay that guy that processed your order, The guy you talked to when you placed your order, I suppose the banks are going to refund the Credit card processing charge. who pays the accountant that changes the tax paperwork, Does EVGA now consider it used, and list it on B-stock, who eats that. The time to decide your Not going to buy, is before you buy.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; people do make mistakes and also are allowed to change their minds...like i said,i hope u dont own ur own business or are in the retail business u wouldn't last long...ur actually bringing up banking and accountants? rotflmfao! move on before u only make urself look more foolish  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; I'm just saying there is a cost to do business, and if you don't pay it the company has to roll it into the cost of the product, so either you pay it or we all pay it. It is like kroger, If someone takes a cart full of steaks, they just increase the cost of everything in the store. If you don't want to pay 20% restocking fee on a $600 card, then don't be surprised if next time it's a $625 card. you still pay it, you just don't know you do. Unless you can get the people processing the return to work for free, and the company supplying the supplies to provide them for free, than someone is going to pay for them, What is your definition of fair, should it be the next guy, or the one that caused the waste.&amp;nbsp; Do you want to take responsibility for your actions, or do you think I should take responsibility for your actions. if 10% of the cost of a product is handling and they have to handle it twice, wouldn't that be 20% ,&amp;nbsp;they have paid to pull it from stock and to put it back, if they make it B-stock, they have taken another loss. If you refuse delivery, the company has paid to ship it to you and then paid to have it sent back Do you suppose UPS is going to give that back. Honestly if I did own a business, and I took a loss every time I dealt with you, I would send you the name and number to my competitor. Every business expense, must be paid for, or worked into the cost of the product. The cost of your free technical support isn't free, this free web site, isn't free, If EVGA did not adequately describe the product, they should take the hit, If they did and you failed to read or research, you should. &amp;nbsp;Who caused the Issue, what caused the issue, whom is responsible for it. Do I take responsibility for my actions, or do I look for someone to blame, someone to take the fall. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1517979</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:04:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (python)</title><description>  just to clarify this..i have bought many things from amazon and a few things i ordered and realized i ordered the wrong item..this wasnt just an isolated incedent...i called them and explained the situation and they made the process very easy for me..twice i refused the shipment..once i already opened the package ( a psu for my pc)..at no point was i charged a restocking fee..regarding the psu i did have to pay shipping back to them..the 2 times i refused the item...the other 2 times i chose free freight so i was never charged anything..guess where i do most of my shopping online. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1517550</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:20:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (python)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;KMoore4318&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;python&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; 20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; So you would rather mandate the worker take it off the truck do so for free, the individual that inspects it and put it back in stock for free, the shipping materal eatin, by the company, or added to the cost of the next guys purchase. Go by u-haul and see what the box and package material cost, Lets un-pay that guy that processed your order, The guy you talked to when you placed your order, I suppose the banks are going to refund the Credit card processing charge. who pays the accountant that changes the tax paperwork, Does EVGA now consider it used, and list it on B-stock, who eats that. The time to decide your Not going to buy, is before you buy.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt; people do make mistakes and also are allowed to change their minds...like i said,i hope u dont own ur own business or are in the retail business u wouldnt last long...ur actually bringing up banking and acountants? rotflmfao! move on before u only make urself look more foolish &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1517519</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:05:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (rhino.software)</title><description>  &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/001_rolleyes.gif" alt="" /&gt; gonna wait i think for the 680 4gb 2000clock non reference versions &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/001_tongue.gif" alt="" /&gt; &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  bring on the F.T.W series &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/001_cool.gif" alt="" /&gt; &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1517155</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:44:16 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (chornbro)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;python&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;   &lt;br&gt;  btw i have owned evga products for many years...let them do business like that with me and they wont see another dime..i also belong to a gaming clan with over 100 members...trust and believe i would let them all know about the "caveats"  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;br&gt;  Im sure each and every one of your fellow clannies would abandon EVGA based on your experience... &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  I just have to agree that it's not the distributor's fault that you 'changed your mind' or made an uninformed decision...&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516864</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:38:10 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (KMoore4318)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;python&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; 20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; So you would rather mandate the worker take it off the truck do so for free, the individual that inspects it and put it back in stock for free, the shipping materal eatin, by the company, or added to the cost of the next guys purchase. Go by u-haul and see what the box and package material cost, Lets un-pay that guy that processed your order, The guy you talked to when you placed your order, I suppose the banks are going to refund the Credit card processing charge. who pays the accountant that changes the tax paperwork, Does EVGA now consider it used, and list it on B-stock, who eats that. The time to decide your Not going to buy, is before you buy. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516829</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:24:51 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (huf757)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Gold Leader&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;HeavyHemi&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Gold Leader&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;manny8127&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Why would u spend a thousand dollars to get a tiny performance increase? Do 2x 680s even beat 590's in quad sli? That sounds ridiculous.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt; No as factual numbers not even a single chance.  &lt;br&gt; a single GTX 590 rapes a GTX 680, a 590 has 1024 Fermi CUDA cores which are faster but lower clocked than the 1536 Kepler CUDA cores...  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Dual GTX 590's will crush Dual 680's in almost every aspect, don't worry if you have Quad SLI and you know how to master it you have nothing to fear.  &lt;br&gt; Here's a neat article showing that the GTX 590 like the HD 6990 beat the GTX 690 in every aspect:  &lt;br&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.anandtech.com/...force-gtx-680-review/7&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt; As you can see most tests the GTX 680 scores best at the lower reso's as where the HD 7970, GTX 590 &amp;amp; HD 6990 have the highest FPS in the higher reso's even the 580's aren't doing that far behind the 680's either.  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; As for computing power the HD 7970 annihilates it rofl  &lt;br&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/17" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.anandtech.com/...orce-gtx-680-review/17&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;img src="http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5699/45163.png" /&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Even the HD 7870 beats the GTX 680, so yeah the 680 isn't much of a high end card it's the Mid end card which was going to be named GTX 660, and this is how most people see it, it's just&amp;nbsp; not much of a great card this time, GTX 285, 480 and GTX 580 were marvelous designs GTX 680 is a failure imo, like it or not, it's my verdict.  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; I'd advise GTX 580 3GB's &amp;amp; HD 7970 3GB's over these mid end cards any day.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Seems you decided to pick Compute as the defining characteristic of performance....Your own article says...  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;b&gt;Apparently NVIDIA has put absolutely no time into optimizing their now all-important Kepler compiler for SmallLuxGPU, choosing to focus on games instead. While that doesn&amp;rsquo;t make it clear how much of GTX 680&amp;rsquo;s performance is due to the compiler versus a general loss in compute performance, it does offer at least a slim hope that NVIDIA can improve their compute performance&lt;/b&gt;.  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; The entire review, (and others for example Guru3D) demonstrate this is a good value and a well performing card.  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.anandtech.com/...geforce-gtx-680-review&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;img src="http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5699/45150.png" /&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Still not impressed that 2x 512CUDA cores of the GTX 590 are faster than the GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, so here some valuable Points for you &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/s1.gif" alt="" /&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Point A: GTX 590's CUDA Cores are Clocked Lower, but are faster than GTX 680's CUDA Cores  &lt;br&gt; Point B: GTX 590 has a lower amount of CUDA cores, 2x 512 = 1024 CUDA Cores, compared to GTX 680's 1536 CUDA Cores, but it's faster than the GTX 680.  &lt;br&gt; Point C: The CUDA Cores of the GTX 500 series are far more powerful per CUDA Core / per Mhz than that of GTX 680.  &lt;br&gt; Point D: The GTX 680 needs a lot of CUDA Cores at very high speeds to keep up or defeat the old generation? That does not make sense.  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; The GTX 580's were already aimed at gaming, so what you say I find irrelevant. It seems you like to wander around the facts and take the propaganda for real, now where have I seen similar things before? heh just curious &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/001_rolleyes.gif" alt="" /&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Anandtech is known as one of the best reliable neutral hardware analysts, there is no walking around that either.  &lt;br&gt; The facts have shown that the GTX 680 is a moderate performing card, that's too bad then , NVIDIA will hopefully learn from this mistake as AMD did with their HD 2900 series ;)  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; It's only a VGA card but still I find it annoying when people try to evade the facts and take the propaganda for real &lt;img src="http://www.evga.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/001_rolleyes.gif" alt="" /&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; Anyways my last two cents on this case, gotta keep it clean ;)  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;br&gt; I usually enjoy reading your post....This one not so much &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516820</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:20:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (python)</title><description>  btw i have owned evga products for many years...let them do business like that with me and they wont see another dime..i also belong to a gaming clan with over 100 members...trust and believe i would let them all know about the "caveats" &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516814</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:18:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (python)</title><description>  20% rs fee? lmao..i suggest u dont ever run ur own business. shipping should be charged to the customer..but 20 % on top of that? 20% of 500 is 100 dollars? u r completely out of ur mind..i would never in life buy from that company again..let that be ur caveat. make a sale or keep a customer? your choice..word of mouth is also another caveat..and caveat emptor means buyer beware...so im supposed to be aware of the company im buying from will screw me out of that much money coupled with the shipping costs to and from...no thanks &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516809</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:15:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (KMoore4318)</title><description>  &lt;blockquote class="quote"&gt;&lt;i&gt;python&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt; a person is not obligated to keep a product he/she isnt happy with..regardless of doing their "homework". u always take care of the customer..otherwise they shop elsewhere..its that simple. if i decide i dont want something,and its my hard earned money being spent btw,then its going back...  &lt;br&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;  &lt;br&gt; The term caveat emptor; means that you must take responsibility for your decisions, you have choice up until you enter the contract, and the transaction has taken place. Yes you can decide if you want the card to go back, and they can decide how much, if any, of your money goes back. Actually 20% is not a bad price for a lesson in Latin, and the insight to do your homework next time. EVGA should NOT have to eat shipping costs times two&amp;nbsp;, because you changed your mind.  &lt;br&gt; &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516721</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:27:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (python)</title><description>  a person is not obligated to keep a product he/she isnt happy with..regardless of doing their "homework". u always take care of the customer..otherwise they shop elsewhere..its that simple. if i decide i dont want something,and its my hard earned money being spent btw,then its going back... &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516693</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:56:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (transdogmifier)</title><description>  You're talking about first generation drivers though (On the benchmarks)...while it may not exceed the other cards I'd bet the benchies will only get better as time goes by. &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  Unless they've perfected drivers by release? :P &lt;br&gt;  &amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516672</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:33:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (BlazenOne)</title><description>  Hope no one here is gonna be this troll's victim at $600 a pop... very low of you OP. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516630</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:46:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Re:Refusing Delivery of GTX 680's (Robs03gts)</title><description>  Nevermind the crappy vrm setup on the 590's, they have the same issue that the 570's had so if you overclock or overvolt them too much then they will die. &lt;br&gt;  </description><link>http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1516619</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:36:28 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>