680 on Newegg!!!!!

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (Afterburner)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:29:57 GMT

quadlatte

jedi95

Afterburner

jedi95

Am I the only one who noticed that the EVGA GTX 680 has a -KR part number?

For those that don't know what this means:
-KR parts don't have a lifetime warranty

See:
http://www.evga.com/suppo...mmain.aspx?faqid=58536

*Clears throat*

http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/extended.asp

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...

http://www.evga.com/articles/00671/

I didn't intend for this to sound like a complaint, but as an observation. I don't keep GPUs long enough for this to make a difference, but this may be an issue for other users.

That said, the warranty changes coming on April 2nd look great!

if i was to drop 500 clams on a card it better have the top warranty offered, not evga telling me i have shell out another $60 for it.

Just offering it as a way for folks to see a different angle. It is one thing to say EVGA no longer has a warranty longer than three years or a lifetime, vs. not liking the fact you are now paying for that option if you want it.

I am a consumer too. But I will not pass judgment until I better understand April 2nds announcement. That is all I am offering to you here...

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (quadlatte)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:17:49 GMT

jedi95

Afterburner

jedi95

Am I the only one who noticed that the EVGA GTX 680 has a -KR part number?

For those that don't know what this means:
-KR parts don't have a lifetime warranty

See:
http://www.evga.com/suppo...mmain.aspx?faqid=58536

*Clears throat*

http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/extended.asp

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...

http://www.evga.com/articles/00671/

I didn't intend for this to sound like a complaint, but as an observation. I don't keep GPUs long enough for this to make a difference, but this may be an issue for other users.

That said, the warranty changes coming on April 2nd look great!

if i was to drop 500 clams on a card it better have the top warranty offered, not evga telling me i have shell out another $60 for it.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (staypuft)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:51:45 GMT

GTX660 -> GTX680. We are upset because we know, or think we know.

That being said I may still grab one if it folds like a freight train at 195W. It will need to beat 2x 460's in SLI.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (xguzman30)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:33:16 GMT

Oh god I hope I can step up to this card.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (beaconpcguru)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:14:39 GMT

Yea I think hes pointing more to the fact that you now have to pay for the step-up... which you didn't before... all it all its nice to have a transferable warranty now though.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (jedi95)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:13:15 GMT

Afterburner

jedi95

Am I the only one who noticed that the EVGA GTX 680 has a -KR part number?

For those that don't know what this means:
-KR parts don't have a lifetime warranty

See:
http://www.evga.com/suppo...mmain.aspx?faqid=58536

*Clears throat*

http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/extended.asp

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...

http://www.evga.com/articles/00671/

I didn't intend for this to sound like a complaint, but as an observation. I don't keep GPUs long enough for this to make a difference, but this may be an issue for other users.

That said, the warranty changes coming on April 2nd look great!

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (beaconpcguru)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:13:04 GMT

Seeing as how it doesnt come out for a projected 6 more months I bet the "real" successor to the 580 as you would call it will probably cost about the same as this "fake" one you seem to infer.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (thatKingKong)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:06:27 GMT

This was supposed to be an upgrade to 560ti right? But it is priced at high end cards. Once again, I blame AMD. They are bad in both GPU and CPU. AMD's high end card is slower than GTX 680 (should have been GTX 660ti/GK104 from all the sources). AMD has no CPUs to compete with Intel.
How much the GK100 (real upgrade to GTX 580) will cost!!!

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (DarkOwnage_)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:47:44 GMT

kody7839
You have a whole lot of assumptions in your hypothetical scenarios, but I'll take a stab at it.

The problem in your logic is that you are talking about unreleased technology that has yet to hit the market and still months out. A lot can happen and the GK110 may never be finalized. Your way, while beneficial in the short term to enthusiasts/builders, makes terrible business sense for what is currently available on the market.

This card outperforms AMD's top card that is currently priced at ~$550, and they're selling it at ~$500. I don't see how you can label it "mid-range" when it is the top performing card currently available. Until GK110 is actually released this is NVIDIA's top of the line card. Just like we didn't see price drops on the 580's till right before this launch, there is no reason to sell this card for any less that the market demands.

This. And I will just make a couple points but probably won't reply back so you can make all the rebuttals you want, I don't feel like arguing ;).

Let's say they did go with option 2. What will happen immediately? No stock. Period. And what just happened with the price of the cards at $550. No stock. Period. The shareholders are sitting there fat and happy right now because maybe they did make an extra $200 in profit.

Let's continue on your "path" here. AMD releases their product, NVidia releases the GK110. Again, the shareholders are sitting fat and happy then too ;).

Normally, I would fill in the gaps with points such as supply and demand problems with selling a top of the line card $200 cheaper than it's competitors and why that's a bad idea, blah blah blah. Also, pointing out the difference in profits in option 1 to option 2, again referencing supply and demand, blah blah. And quote how the GK110 is suppose to come out in September-December time frame (rumor mill). So the time span between then and now is just enough time for the cards mature while steadying the supply and demand, blah blah.

Connect the dots yourself. Time to go do something productive....like F5 until it becomes in stock again :D!

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (zzDarkwingDuck)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:45:49 GMT

It does out perform the competitions high end but it seems like this was supposed to be the 660 Ti with the gk110 being the 670 and 680. That's just speculation though.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (Afterburner)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:43:53 GMT

jedi95

Am I the only one who noticed that the EVGA GTX 680 has a -KR part number?

For those that don't know what this means:
-KR parts don't have a lifetime warranty

See:
http://www.evga.com/suppo...mmain.aspx?faqid=58536

*Clears throat*

http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/extended.asp

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...

http://www.evga.com/articles/00671/

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (kody7839)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:34:48 GMT

Bruno747

VegetaCreeper

Your statements are compeltely untrue

1) This is the fastest single card on the market
2) This card is priced way cheaper than a 7970

F5 = FTW
$509.99 for the fastest single GPU is a great deal!

At what point did I say that it was not the fastest card, and when did I say it was more expensive than a 7970.

The point here is that this chip and card was and is designed to be a 300 card, of course they can undercut the 7970 by $50.

Let me give you an example of what they are doing and how I see it playing out.

Nvidia had two ways they could handle AMD under performing this time around.

1 (what they are doing.) Take a card designed to be a mid range card, one that they originally planned on being ~300 dollars, and jack the price to be in the range of the 7970 yet just under it since it performs a bit better, and they have room to wiggle on the price since they will be making around 200 more than they originally planned. Then when 8970 comes out, drop the price on gk104 to where it should have been from the beginning, and price the gk110 card at a little above the competition since performance should be similar. This has a couple effect on the profits, first the profits are higher, since they have a larger margin on the mid range card being purported as a flagship, however, number sold doesn't correlate with other high end launches for a few reasons, and then gk110 only sells to the uber enthusiasts and ignorant people that just bought it cause it was top dog; as people that bought gk104 feel screwed over. The reason that gk104 doesnt sell so well is cause people that do their homework, know that nvidia is holding back and performing some price gouging. Those that go into microcenter and the like randomly to get a top end graphic card are pushed to the 7970 for having more ram and similar performance. Profits start out higher than originally expected, but over time are less than expected due to multiple reasons stated above.

2, price gk104 where it was originally intended to be, selling magnitudes over the amount in the playout above. Profits per card are less, but overall profits in the long run and short run are higher due to shear numbers. People that want a card get a top performer for mid range price, people that go to microcenter are pushed to it for performance and price. A 8800 style revolution is in play here. Nvidia is selling a card at around 200 less than a 7970, and yet beating it performance wise. Then they release gk110 and not only sell huge amounts cause it is a top performer, but also cause nvidia gains a larger following for starting another 8800 style revolution without price gouging the customer. Profits in the model are good in the beginning, and continue to get better due to the gained following and general good feeling towards nvidia, these increased profits and following last for ~2 years.

Sure, I am probably totally in denial, but which would sound better to you as a shareholder.

We can make a mess o money now, and have typical profits after now.
or
We can make mess o money now, and keep those kinds of profits potentially for years to come.

I stand by the video that I posted, that is honestly what I feel nvidia is saying to the customer...screw you, we will charge whatever we want and you will pay it, even if we are holding out on you, we love suckers!

You have a whole lot of assumptions in your hypothetical scenarios, but I'll take a stab at it.

The problem in your logic is that you are talking about unreleased technology that has yet to hit the market and still months out. A lot can happen and the GK110 may never be finalized. Your way, while beneficial in the short term to enthusiasts/builders, makes terrible business sense for what is currently available on the market.

This card outperforms AMD's top card that is currently priced at ~$550, and they're selling it at ~$500. I don't see how you can label it "mid-range" when it is the top performing card currently available. Until GK110 is actually released this is NVIDIA's top of the line card. Just like we didn't see price drops on the 580's till right before this launch, there is no reason to sell this card for any less that the market demands.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (chump7431)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:19:19 GMT

Nvidia has made the card that I have been wanting for a long time. Energy efficient and very powerful. If NVIDIA made this card $300 there would be no reason to upgrade for a long time. To me it makes perfect business.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (Bruno747)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:14:13 GMT

VegetaCreeper

Your statements are compeltely untrue

1) This is the fastest single card on the market
2) This card is priced way cheaper than a 7970

F5 = FTW
$509.99 for the fastest single GPU is a great deal!

At what point did I say that it was not the fastest card, and when did I say it was more expensive than a 7970.

The point here is that this chip and card was and is designed to be a 300 card, of course they can undercut the 7970 by $50.

Let me give you an example of what they are doing and how I see it playing out.

Nvidia had two ways they could handle AMD under performing this time around.

1 (what they are doing.) Take a card designed to be a mid range card, one that they originally planned on being ~300 dollars, and jack the price to be in the range of the 7970 yet just under it since it performs a bit better, and they have room to wiggle on the price since they will be making around 200 more than they originally planned. Then when 8970 comes out, drop the price on gk104 to where it should have been from the beginning, and price the gk110 card at a little above the competition since performance should be similar. This has a couple effect on the profits, first the profits are higher, since they have a larger margin on the mid range card being purported as a flagship, however, number sold doesn't correlate with other high end launches for a few reasons, and then gk110 only sells to the uber enthusiasts and ignorant people that just bought it cause it was top dog; as people that bought gk104 feel screwed over. The reason that gk104 doesnt sell so well is cause people that do their homework, know that nvidia is holding back and performing some price gouging. Those that go into microcenter and the like randomly to get a top end graphic card are pushed to the 7970 for having more ram and similar performance. Profits start out higher than originally expected, but over time are less than expected due to multiple reasons stated above.

2, price gk104 where it was originally intended to be, selling magnitudes over the amount in the playout above. Profits per card are less, but overall profits in the long run and short run are higher due to shear numbers. People that want a card get a top performer for mid range price, people that go to microcenter are pushed to it for performance and price. A 8800 style revolution is in play here. Nvidia is selling a card at around 200 less than a 7970, and yet beating it performance wise. Then they release gk110 and not only sell huge amounts cause it is a top performer, but also cause nvidia gains a larger following for starting another 8800 style revolution without price gouging the customer. Profits in the model are good in the beginning, and continue to get better due to the gained following and general good feeling towards nvidia, these increased profits and following last for ~2 years.

Sure, I am probably totally in denial, but which would sound better to you as a shareholder.

We can make a mess o money now, and have typical profits after now.
or
We can make mess o money now, and keep those kinds of profits potentially for years to come.

I stand by the video that I posted, that is honestly what I feel nvidia is saying to the customer...screw you, we will charge whatever we want and you will pay it, even if we are holding out on you, we love suckers!

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (chump7431)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:08:51 GMT

oh i noticed

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (jedi95)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:06:08 GMT

Am I the only one who noticed that the EVGA GTX 680 has a -KR part number?

For those that don't know what this means:
-KR parts don't have a lifetime warranty

See:
http://www.evga.com/suppo...mmain.aspx?faqid=58536

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (smoke1877)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:38:00 GMT

think i will wait for reviews and one with more then 2gb vram.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (chump7431)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:36:01 GMT

hahaokayman

http://img.techpowerup.org/120321/GTX.png

Here's what the prices will look like for reference designs. $599 for "EVGA Classifieds SSC Ultra 4GB FTW" nastiness?

Because you just never know with the naming schemes with em lol

Thanks for that pic. I wonder why the PNY is $30 more??

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (chump7431)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:31:11 GMT

VegetaCreeper

I got a Newegg GTX 680 (Email) link that gets me nowhere!
This is how I feel about that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcyOoPDlSuU

HEHE

They make you feel special by saying you could be the first to get a 680........then you find out they sold out before they even sent the email. HOW RUDE

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (VegetaCreeper)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:28:50 GMT

I got a Newegg GTX 680 (Email) link that gets me nowhere!
This is how I feel about that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcyOoPDlSuU

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (dukenuke88)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:17:08 GMT

Asus at $499 huh

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (hahaokayman)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:11:19 GMT

http://img.techpowerup.org/120321/GTX.png

Here's what the prices will look like for reference designs. $599 for "EVGA Classifieds SSC Ultra 4GB FTW" nastiness?

Because you just never know with the naming schemes with em lol

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (Bruno747)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:10:32 GMT

EliteGeek91

^^^ Couldn't agree more! ROTFL.

Yeah, I about fell out of the chair laughing when I saw that video and realized how well it fit with this situation.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (seronx)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:10:32 GMT

Lol...everyone is shooting everywhere omg! IT IS KEPLER IT IS FINALLY OUT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (VegetaCreeper)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:10:22 GMT

Bruno747

Viper97

Eh... got the email, have no desire to be a beta tester... enjoy! ;)

Agreed, and I dont want to be the sucker that pays high end price for a obviously mid range high end wanna be card. As much as I like Nvidia, I just cannot support them with this. I wont buy them or reccomend the 680's until they are priced like they should have been from the get go.

This is what Nvidia thinks of their customers right now. Infact, I think this is video from Jen's office when he was talking to the marketing/pricing group after they questioned him about charging high end price for a card created and designed to be a mid range one. (Jen is the one in the blue, if you need a hint)

Your statements are compeltely untrue

1) This is the fastest single card on the market
2) This card is priced way cheaper than a 7970

F5 = FTW
$509.99 for the fastest single GPU is a great deal!

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (Viper97)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:09:58 GMT

Bruno747

Viper97

Eh... got the email, have no desire to be a beta tester... enjoy! ;)

Agreed, and I dont want to be the sucker that pays high end price for a obviously mid range high end wanna be card. As much as I like Nvidia, I just cannot support them with this. I wont buy them or reccomend the 680's until they are priced like they should have been from the get go.

This is what Nvidia thinks of their customers right now. Infact, I think this is video from Jen's office when he was talking to the marketing/pricing group after they questioned him about charging high end price for a card created and designed to be a mid range one. (Jen is the one in the blue, if you need a hint)

No hint needed.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (EliteGeek91)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:08:57 GMT

^^^ Couldn't agree more! ROTFL.

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (Bruno747)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:04:58 GMT

Viper97

Eh... got the email, have no desire to be a beta tester... enjoy! ;)

Agreed, and I dont want to be the sucker that pays high end price for a obviously mid range high end wanna be card. As much as I like Nvidia, I just cannot support them with this. I wont buy them or reccomend the 680's until they are priced like they should have been from the get go.

This is what Nvidia thinks of their customers right now. Infact, I think this is video from Jen's office when he was talking to the marketing/pricing group after they questioned him about charging high end price for a card created and designed to be a mid range one. (Jen is the one in the blue, if you need a hint)

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (dukenuke88)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:51:57 GMT

elite geek should have put it on the for sale forums...like he does with alot of his parts :)

Re:680 on Newegg!!!!! (chump7431)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:48:17 GMT

EliteGeek91

chump7431

EliteGeek91

I did, outta gosh dang buyers remorce.. Cancelled. Cuz I am really trying to wait for the non-reference classifieds...

I thought about it, and don't wanna dump that into cards, till they have 3gb+ VRAM versions out.

Were you checking all day on Newegg or do you know people in high places?

Lucky timing.

Checked some, then when I went to check that time, they all popped up. But it sold in like 30 secs of course...

You lucky guy