Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler)

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (Bkatt)

Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:03:34 GMT

RAGE

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (kidcrumb)

Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:06:15 GMT

4g63pilot

kidcrumb

4g63pilot

I just finished the game last night and I get why everyone hated the ending like I did. Now after watching that indoctrination video I feel pretty stupid. Its been right in my face the entire series but I couldnt see it. Wow ! Now thats a deep story. I know that this is just a theory but it makes total sense. I watched an interview with Martin Sheen about the illusive man and at the end he said this want be the last we see of him . I kinda feel bad for Bioware now because people didnt catch on and understand .

I love the indoctrination theory, but the game still needs a "real" ending. What actually happened in the world of mass effect? If indoctrination theory is correct, then i suppose Shephard gave into the indoctrination and all those peaceful sequences with Joker on that planet was just humanity ascending to reaper status. Which is fine...but there needed to be a cutscene where all the reapers are leaving a completely decimated earth after the credits to kind of give you the hint that its not all what it seems. Otherwise it just doesnt make sense.

One of the 3 options shows Shephard still alive in a pile of rubble. The way that indoctrination theory goes shephard never went up in the
citadel. The ending was all played out in his mind . He battled the reapers for control of his mind while he laid on the battlefield still on earth. Kinda like they may be setting us up for ME4 or DLC when shephard wakes up and the war is still raging on.

It all just makes me wonder if EA pushed them to the point where they had to do this, to either release DLC or another Mass Effect game. Because it did feel like ME3 was shorter than the others main campaign wise.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (4g63pilot)

Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:01:25 GMT

kidcrumb

4g63pilot

I just finished the game last night and I get why everyone hated the ending like I did. Now after watching that indoctrination video I feel pretty stupid. Its been right in my face the entire series but I couldnt see it. Wow ! Now thats a deep story. I know that this is just a theory but it makes total sense. I watched an interview with Martin Sheen about the illusive man and at the end he said this want be the last we see of him . I kinda feel bad for Bioware now because people didnt catch on and understand .

I love the indoctrination theory, but the game still needs a "real" ending. What actually happened in the world of mass effect? If indoctrination theory is correct, then i suppose Shephard gave into the indoctrination and all those peaceful sequences with Joker on that planet was just humanity ascending to reaper status. Which is fine...but there needed to be a cutscene where all the reapers are leaving a completely decimated earth after the credits to kind of give you the hint that its not all what it seems. Otherwise it just doesnt make sense.

One of the 3 options shows Shephard still alive in a pile of rubble. The way that indoctrination theory goes shephard never went up in the
citadel. The ending was all played out in his mind . He battled the reapers for control of his mind while he laid on the battlefield still on earth. Kinda like they may be setting us up for ME4 or DLC when shephard wakes up and the war is still raging on.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (kidcrumb)

Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:00:25 GMT

4g63pilot

I just finished the game last night and I get why everyone hated the ending like I did. Now after watching that indoctrination video I feel pretty stupid. Its been right in my face the entire series but I couldnt see it. Wow ! Now thats a deep story. I know that this is just a theory but it makes total sense. I watched an interview with Martin Sheen about the illusive man and at the end he said this want be the last we see of him . I kinda feel bad for Bioware now because people didnt catch on and understand .

I love the indoctrination theory, but the game still needs a "real" ending. What actually happened in the world of mass effect? If indoctrination theory is correct, then i suppose Shephard gave into the indoctrination and all those peaceful sequences with Joker on that planet was just humanity ascending to reaper status. Which is fine...but there needed to be a cutscene where all the reapers are leaving a completely decimated earth after the credits to kind of give you the hint that its not all what it seems. Otherwise it just doesnt make sense.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (_Nite_)

Sun, 25 Mar 2012 11:40:20 GMT

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (4g63pilot)

Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:23:17 GMT

I just finished the game last night and I get why everyone hated the ending like I did. Now after watching that indoctrination video I feel pretty stupid. Its been right in my face the entire series but I couldnt see it. Wow ! Now thats a deep story. I know that this is just a theory but it makes total sense. I watched an interview with Martin Sheen about the illusive man and at the end he said this want be the last we see of him . I kinda feel bad for Bioware now because people didnt catch on and understand .

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (kidcrumb)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:10:42 GMT

marundo

Kidcrumb don't feel bad none of us caught it, its something thats never been done. Not catching it is what makes the twist so great (assuming its accurate)

Another thought about the Indoctrination concept. So we know that Bioware has said there will be more Mass Effect games, co-founder of Bioware just said that the other day. Assuming its not a prequel... How can they do that if the Mass Effect relays are gone? Unless they never really blew up in the first place.

Which kind of moves to my closure point. Even if the ending was indoctrination, and it caught everyone off guard, you still have to show what happens in the real world (of Mass Effect) similar to the ending of a good book or most movies. You cant really end it on such a cliff hanger like Inception. (Even though that one was a little more transparent what actually happened then Mass Effect. lol)

It is hard to call an ending good when it makes you think what the heck just happened? It feels like a huge letdown even if there was much more if you look into it. When you look into it you can tell the ending was good, but its face value or presentation was bad. Even if the indoctrination was a subtle thing throughout the entire series, it should have remained an undertone or had a big reveal.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (marundo)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:15:27 GMT

Kidcrumb don't feel bad none of us caught it, its something thats never been done. Not catching it is what makes the twist so great (assuming its accurate)

Another thought about the Indoctrination concept. So we know that Bioware has said there will be more Mass Effect games, co-founder of Bioware just said that the other day. Assuming its not a prequel... How can they do that if the Mass Effect relays are gone? Unless they never really blew up in the first place.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (minger66)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:37:23 GMT

The best way to tell Bioware's true intentions will be told depending on how quickly the ending dlc fix comes out. If it was planned from the beginning, plan on seeing the dlc in April. A new ending would take significant time to complete, so if it comes later rather than sooner then you will know Bioware intended the current endings to be the final ones. If it comes sooner rather than later, then it would have had to be planned and in the works before the game was released.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (kidcrumb)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:18:28 GMT

I know that. It just makes me so mad that i wasnt smarter and didnt catch it. Mainly because i wasnt really trying to. I was just taking it as face value but it still needed to end and give closure. If Shephard was being indoctrinated at the end of a trilogy, you should flat out say it in the end, not hint at it and leave a weird ending.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (marundo)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:50:29 GMT

kidcrumb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck&feature=player_embedded

Can someone link this in properly? It explains how shephard was being indoctrinated throughout the entire series. It is a great video to watch just for perspective. It did make me think a little bit.

My only problem with the indoctrination theory is that its too deep. The average gamer would not catch any of these subtleties making the ending seem horrible. I never really assumed that a game would try to go this deep. So as i was playing i took it at face value, not to decipher it. Makes me mad i wasnt smarter and able to see through it i suppose but I still think it needed a few more lines of dialogue that told you you were indoctrinated. Then i would ahve thought back and been like ohhh, ok.

It really does make sense though, because why else would the paragon be an attempt to control? while playing i noticed that and thought it was paragon because destroying the reapers would kill all Geth. But control is what the illusive man wanted so why would it be paragon? See how it twists like that?

Thats whats genuis about it, because Shepard is your Shepard, and Shepard isn't noticing he/she is being indoctrinated either, you are Shepard. People who are being indoctrinated have never known they were indoctrinated in the earlier games. This is the first video game story that I know of that has this depth to the story, it sets a Crysis level benchmark for our medium as an art form.

I watched the Rachni Queen segment from the first game yesterday on youtube, then played the ending again, and sure enough she says the Reapers songs were like "Oily Shadows", hence the damage overlay at the end during the indoctrination, there are two different overlays one when your walking to the beam, its black and spotty, the other is when your by TIM its black, shadowy and spikey. Your normal Damage overlay is red. All of these things are designed, its not like a film where it could be done by accident, these changes have to be purposefully implemented.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (_Nite_)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:21:11 GMT

done :)

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (kidcrumb)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:04:27 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck&feature=player_embedded

Can someone link this in properly? It explains how shephard was being indoctrinated throughout the entire series. It is a great video to watch just for perspective. It did make me think a little bit.

My only problem with the indoctrination theory is that its too deep. The average gamer would not catch any of these subtleties making the ending seem horrible. I never really assumed that a game would try to go this deep. So as i was playing i took it at face value, not to decipher it. Makes me mad i wasnt smarter and able to see through it i suppose but I still think it needed a few more lines of dialogue that told you you were indoctrinated. Then i would ahve thought back and been like ohhh, ok.

It really does make sense though, because why else would the paragon be an attempt to control? while playing i noticed that and thought it was paragon because destroying the reapers would kill all Geth. But control is what the illusive man wanted so why would it be paragon? See how it twists like that?

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (ryanevans1)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:38:15 GMT

I didnt like the ending pretty bad.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (phades)

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:12:36 GMT

pauljlindner

seronx

Mass Effect 3: Epilogue - $9.99 - April 1st, 2012
Free for those who bought ME3 Digital Deluxe or Collectors
$59.99(stnd) + $10(d1dlc) + $10(trlday)
Anonymous Source from Bioware

ummm no, April 1st is a Sunday. Never trust anonymous sources and question official PR releases.

Personally, I read that more of a joke than something serious, due to speculations that bioware was pulling a reverse april fool's joke with the existing ending.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (pauljlindner)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:21:43 GMT

seronx

Mass Effect 3: Epilogue - $9.99 - April 1st, 2012
Free for those who bought ME3 Digital Deluxe or Collectors
$59.99(stnd) + $10(d1dlc) + $10(trlday)
Anonymous Source from Bioware

ummm no, April 1st is a Sunday. Never trust anonymous sources and question official PR releases.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (marundo)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:49:22 GMT

There is no way it would come out on April fools day... We'll know soon enough. Be patient everyone we'll have answers.

Another thing about the ending and indoctrination, mine and my wife's endings both had one of out squad mates that were with us on earth step out of the ship at the end when Joker crashed on earth... There is no way for Javik (who was with me) to be on that ship. It could be that Shepard is having a positive fantasy of finishing what had to be done and that his/her remaining friends are fine. I've looked at the ending on Youtube also and after Joker walks out they have showed different people walk out. That also may be that they didn't have Javik or who ever the next character to walk would be could of been dead from ME2.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (seronx)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:11:06 GMT

Mass Effect 3: Epilogue - $9.99 - April 1st, 2012
Free for those who bought ME3 Digital Deluxe or Collectors
$59.99(stnd) + $10(d1dlc) + $10(trlday)
Anonymous Source from Bioware

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (phades)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:29:47 GMT

kidcrumb

Most people arent saying that the indoctrination was a bad idea, it was a good idea. But you cant end the game without explaining what really happened. After that whole sequence if shephard had woken up then youd be like oh that was awesome, but just by itself its hard to tell whether it happened at all. Which isnt the way you should end a trilogy.

Then again, if it is taken to an extreme and just all in his head he could wake up in today's era with a sore rear, a hang over, and wonder **** happened last night as well.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (pauljlindner)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:36:41 GMT

minger66

pauljlindner

If you are someone who hates the ending and is still questioning why it is you feel this way, or you're someone who likes it and doesn't understand why people hate the ending; I recommend this article to read.

http://www.themetagames.c...-one-problem-with.html

It's a long read, but it explains what I've felt and describes my emotions better than could about the ending of ME3.

That is an excellent read, although I disagree with one premise. The writer tends to indicated toward the end that people don't necesarily need a happy ending, just an understanding of the consequences. I disagree, people do want a happy ending, or at least the option for it, is not options what Mass Effect was all about. When people say they did not need a happy ending, that is them just saying they would settle for something not as bad as they received. Besides, in this game how much more do you need to lose, is not a few billion dead humans/aliens enough, deaths of many of your former squadmates, the close destruction of civilization. It's kind of felt like Bioware wanted to grind the heel of thier boot's in your face for the sake of their artistic license.

Good stories offer a resolution whether it's happy, tragic, or bittersweet, otherwise you sit there saying, "****?"

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (minger66)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:27:15 GMT

If indoctrination was actually the plan, then I would agree, a very interesting twist. Bioware certainly gives off the vibe that the ending they have was meant as is. You certianly don't make up an ending to a game as an add on after the game is done. I have never in the past 25 years seem such a mass uprising toward a developer for the ending of a game. Even Bioware's recent responses have sounded arrogant, it's not us look at the review scores, but if we have to we will throw the players some scraps to shut them up. If EA and Bioware don't think this is not costing them money they are out of their minds. Sure the game sold well, but how much better would it have sold if not for the idiotic ending, day one dlc, and forced multiplayer component. Hopefully Bioware/EA will learn something from this, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (kidcrumb)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:59:58 GMT

Most people arent saying that the indoctrination was a bad idea, it was a good idea. But you cant end the game without explaining what really happened. After that whole sequence if shephard had woken up then youd be like oh that was awesome, but just by itself its hard to tell whether it happened at all. Which isnt the way you should end a trilogy.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (minger66)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:59:31 GMT

pauljlindner

If you are someone who hates the ending and is still questioning why it is you feel this way, or you're someone who likes it and doesn't understand why people hate the ending; I recommend this article to read.

http://www.themetagames.c...-one-problem-with.html

It's a long read, but it explains what I've felt and describes my emotions better than could about the ending of ME3.

That is an excellent read, although I disagree with one premise. The writer tends to indicated toward the end that people don't necesarily need a happy ending, just an understanding of the consequences. I disagree, people do want a happy ending, or at least the option for it, is not options what Mass Effect was all about. When people say they did not need a happy ending, that is them just saying they would settle for something not as bad as they received. Besides, in this game how much more do you need to lose, is not a few billion dead humans/aliens enough, deaths of many of your former squadmates, the close destruction of civilization. It's kind of felt like Bioware wanted to grind the heel of thier boot's in your face for the sake of their artistic license.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (pauljlindner)

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:09:49 GMT

If you are someone who hates the ending and is still questioning why it is you feel this way, or you're someone who likes it and doesn't understand why people hate the ending; I recommend this article to read.

http://www.themetagames.c...-one-problem-with.html

It's a long read, but it explains what I've felt and describes my emotions better than could about the ending of ME3.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (_Nite_)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:21:41 GMT

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (pauljlindner)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:24:36 GMT

I'll add Forbes to the list of links as well, the guy has been following the up-roar since the beginning.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...fect-3-ending-sort-of/

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (marundo)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:02:48 GMT

That sounds to me not that they are yielding but are going to explain the ending and release epilogue dlc for your characters.

I've read more about this indoctrination idea, I'm pretty fascinated by it, if they do confirm that, its the greatest thing ever. These things are supposed to be vague, if thats what they are doing. This was an interesting read http://jcwigriff.com/2012/03/16/mass-effect-3-ending-potentially-most-impressive-in-gaming-history/

Bioware are among the best in the medium for telling stories, they aren't stupid, I assume everything is deliberate. The way they treat the kid at the beginning, with Anderson not seeing him and him not being helped on the ship (while they show a guy getting helped on a ship), thats classic movie stuff for this guy isn't really there.

The Codex part, there is no reason for saying the ghostly hallucinations part, that is never mention in any of the Mass Effect media concerning indoctrination as far as I'm aware, why have it there. The end of the game Shepard is talking into her/his hand, there is a point of showing your Omni-tool is blown off.

With Casey Hudson saying "we are waiting for more people to experience it before we say anything" makes me lean in that direction also.

A lot of people hated Sucker Punch, but everyone I talked to about it didn't understand it. That doesn't make it better or worse, its just what it is... I think its kind of genius. I think ME3 is maybe kind of genius also.

I can't defend the 'From Ashes' DLC, that should of really been in the game, Javik is pretty important.

The point of the oldman and kid I think is saying that Shepard was successful, and united the races... Mass Relays never blow up.

This is just how I see it, we'll know more soon enough... If they release the DLC for when Shepard wakes up in the rubble, it will be genius, only if its free to Alliance Pass members... If they charge that would be a little dirty... But if free, it got everyone to think about that game and have deep discussions on it, and thats a feat in an of it self.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (_Nite_)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:49:48 GMT

nice to see that bioware are listening to thier fans, but they better fix the ending in a patch not a DLC.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (Bkatt)

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:37:48 GMT

http://venturebeat.com/20...ng-is-being-addressed/

Well the are "Address" the ending. At least they are admitting defeat.

Re:Mass Effect 3 Ending (Ultimate spoiler) (_Nite_)

Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:35:52 GMT

Kamarad

_Nite_

Fan filing FTC complaints against EA after Mass Effect 3 ending

http://www.gamepur.com/ne...s-effect-3-ending.html

Pfft........LOL. That is hellarious. The ending may have been bad, but forcing the ending to change only sets a horrible standard that will be hard to shake and could set drastic consequences for any future game. If you don't like the ending, then you don't like it. Doesn't mean it should be changed.

Can you give me a little sniplet of the main part of that? I can't load the page where I am at.

But, like I said, with the onset of DLC I see them having planned an Epilogue DLC earlier in development. The biggest complaint should be when it does come out and peopler realize that you are paying extra for the "actual" ending (Final Fantasty XIII-2 anyone?). I don't see the FTC complaint going anywhere.

here is the full article

Mass Effect 3 fans are taking their fight against Bioware and EA on the issue of game's ending to EXTREME level. Gamers are now filing FTC complaints against EA and Bioware for "FALSE ADVERTISING" after the ending of Mass Effect 3.

Here is what Bioware Forum user "El_Spiko" wrote:

"Against EA. After reading through the list of promises about the ending of the game they made in their advertising campaign and PR interviews, it was clear that the product we got did not live up to any of those claims. This thread has a great compilation of their claims:
"http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886"

Clearly, none fo these were represented in the ending. If anyone else wishes to file a complaint (the more there are the more likely the FTC will take action) just go to FTC.gov and fill out a complaint form in the Consumer Protection section. Here's EA HQ's address and phone number:
209 Redwood Shores Parkway
Redwood City, CA 94065
(650) 628-1500

This is not somethign I was happy to do, but after the terrible ending that was in no way the product that had been advertised to me and the lack of any kind of response from Bioware/EA to address this, I felt it was one of my only recourses. I'll be returning my copy of the game before the end of my 30 day return policy if the ending still hasn't been addressed by then."

Filed a Better Business Bureau complaint as well. They can be found at BBB.org. The BBB will at the very least notify EA of any complaints they recieve, so every complaint filed is something that EA will hear about."

Neither EA nor Bioware has commented on this. I would like to ask Gamepur readers, whether this EXTREME STEP of Mass Effect 3 fans will get EA and Bioware attention?.