560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added?

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560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:24 AM (permalink)
I have the 560ti Classified right now OC'ed to 915/1831/2236  on 1.050 voltage.
Also driver ver: 290.53
 
My 3dmark_11 score is P6485 , I dont know if thats good or bad.
System specs will be below.
 
Question:
Now Im curious will or can I raise that score by using my other backup rigs PNY GTX460 1gb enthuist ed. for PhysX ?
 
I do realize 2 of the Classy's own in SLI but this is what I have for the moment, another Classy will be coming in a month or so.
 
System specs:
I7-2600k 4.5ghz
Intel Liquid cooler
16gb Kingston HypX
560ti Classified
Asus P8Z68-v Pro/Gen3 mobo
Seasonic X series 750w
 
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    Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:35 AM (permalink)
    Steveaw11


    I have the 560ti Classified right now OC'ed to 915/1831/2236  on 1.050 voltage stable.

    My 3dmark_11 score is P6485 , I dont know if thats good or bad.
    System specs will be below.

    Question:
    Now Im curious will or can I raise that score by using my other backup rigs PNY GTX460 1gb enthuist ed. for PhysX ?

    I do realize 2 of the Classy's own in SLI but this is what I have for the moment, another Classy will be coming in a month or so.

    System specs:
    I7-2600k 4.5ghz
    Intel Liquid cooler
    16gb Kingston HypX
    560ti Classified
    Asus P8Z68-v Pro/Gen3 mobo
    Seasonic X series 750w


    No, 3Dmark 11 doesn't use GPU accelerated PhysX at all. It uses the Bullet Physics engine which runs on the GPU and CPU. Your score is about average for your system.  Using your 460 with your GTX 560 singly or in SLI will still gain you a decent boost in FPS running with maxed settings in game that make decent use of PhysX like the Batman Arkham series and Mafia II for example.
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      Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:45 AM (permalink)
      ...not to mention Planetside 2* and 'Alice: Madness Returns'.
       
      * And, theoretically, the next Everquest and whatever else SOE does.  Apparently, they are going to be using the same engine, which supports hardware-accelerated PhysX, in all their next generation of MMOs.
       
      So...a few games, and some tier-1 titles at that.  But not 3dMark11, and not most things.
       
      (FWIW, 3dMark Vantage does use PhysX...but the PhysX test basically uses little to no 3d acceleration at all, so you'd actually drop your score by using the 460 as a dedicated PhysX card there, as the alternative would be 100% of your 560 being tested.  Bizarre test, I know...)

       
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        Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:12 PM (permalink)
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        ...not to mention Planetside 2* and 'Alice: Madness Returns'.

        * And, theoretically, the next Everquest and whatever else SOE does.  Apparently, they are going to be using the same engine, which supports hardware-accelerated PhysX, in all their next generation of MMOs.

        So...a few games, and some tier-1 titles at that.  But not 3dMark11, and not most things.

        (FWIW, 3dMark Vantage does use PhysX...but the PhysX test basically uses little to no 3d acceleration at all, so you'd actually drop your score by using the 460 as a dedicated PhysX card there, as the alternative would be 100% of your 560 being tested.  Bizarre test, I know...)

        Correct. Most folks get confused when they run 3Dmark Vantage with a GPU that is weaker than their primary GPU as a dedicated PhysX card and their score drops.
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          Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:24 PM (permalink)
          Thats cool guys thanks, So it looks like I wont do it. I do love EQ but by the time the next one comes out I will have SLI classy's or better so, as youve both said I dont see any reason to add the 460 for physX at all really.
           
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            Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:03 AM (permalink)
            Thanks for the post, was thinking of doing something similar and would have spent money on a lower grade card to do it, guess i will hold off for another Classified instead (currently newegg out or only the classified ultra).
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              Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:23 PM (permalink)
              Did any of you guys modify the card at all or take the heatsink off and apply arctic silver 5 or anything? I just installed two 560 TI 448 Classified Ultra's in my machine and both are idling pretty high - 61and 57.  Doesn't that seem a tad high for idling?
               
               
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                Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:31 PM (permalink)
                Whats the temps under load? What case do you have?
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                  Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:49 PM (permalink)
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                  Whats the temps under load? What case do you have?

                   
                  My case is a CoolerMaster 830 Stacker, pretty good ventilation.  I always do a good job with cable management and make sure to get the best possible air flow.  I just installed these today, coming from a 9800GT so I'm kind of shocked at the temps at idle.  I'm running OC Scanner right now and it's been running for 20 minutes at 90% load and the temp is 81 degrees.  Should I be worried?
                   
                  Also, what is a TIM?  As long as I don't void the warranty, I'm totally game for possibly resetting the heatsink and putting on some good thermal compound.  Which compound do you guys recommend?

                  Thanks for the help.
                  Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 SE
                  PSU: Antec HCG-750 750W
                  Mobo: Asus P8Z68 Deluxe/Gen3
                  CPU: Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz
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                  Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
                  Monitor: Samsung 24" 1920x1200
                  GPU1: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 TI Classified Ultra
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                    Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:52 PM (permalink)
                    Btw, if you click on "View my System" under my avatar, thats the case I'm using.  That picture has older components in it, but it's the same case.
                    Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 SE
                    PSU: Antec HCG-750 750W
                    Mobo: Asus P8Z68 Deluxe/Gen3
                    CPU: Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz
                    RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
                    Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
                    Monitor: Samsung 24" 1920x1200
                    GPU1: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 TI Classified Ultra
                    GPU2: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 TI Classified Ultra
                    SoundCard: Asus Xonar Xense
                    Headset: Sennheiser PC350
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                      Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:27 PM (permalink)
                      @ drohm - cute avatar!
                      that case is rockin' ; cant see any link under your avatar, unless you are referring to your ModsRigs page, but that doesn't contain any info or pics either
                       
                      can you tell your fan setup? as in location and weather they areintake or exhaust?
                       
                       
                      Those are EE cards, can you feel hot air coming out the back of the cards?
                       
                      Also, what motherboard do you have and what slots do you have them in?
                          


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                        Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:40 PM (permalink)
                        Simba123


                        @ drohm - cute avatar!
                        that case is rockin' ; cant see any link under your avatar, unless you are referring to your ModsRigs page, but that doesn't contain any info or pics either

                        can you tell your fan setup? as in location and weather they areintake or exhaust?


                        Those are EE cards, can you feel hot air coming out the back of the cards?

                        Also, what motherboard do you have and what slots do you have them in?

                         
                        @Simba123 Thanks.
                         
                        In regards to the link, I'll get the picture updated shortly.

                        I have two 120mm fans in the front (intake) and 1 120mm exhaust fan in the back and 1 120mm fan at the top of the case (pushing out).  I use to have 2 fans on the side panel door, but my heatsink (Ultra 120) extends too far for me to have them installed. 
                         
                        In regards to the cards, yes, I can feel the air being blown out the back of the case.
                         
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                        Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz
                        CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
                        2x EVGA GTX 560 Ti - 448 Cores (Fermi) Classified Ultra
                         
                        The cards are installed in slots 2 and 5.
                         
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                        Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 SE
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                        Mobo: Asus P8Z68 Deluxe/Gen3
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                        RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
                        Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
                        Monitor: Samsung 24" 1920x1200
                        GPU1: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 TI Classified Ultra
                        GPU2: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 TI Classified Ultra
                        SoundCard: Asus Xonar Xense
                        Headset: Sennheiser PC350
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                          Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:54 PM (permalink)
                          well something's not right. that idle temps is too high.
                          load temp seems a bit high, but within limits.
                           
                          What is your room temp like?
                           
                          I see that the side of the case has 4 fan housings, can you put fans in the bottom two placements?
                           
                          As a test. remove the side of your case, place a desk fan about 10-15 cm away from the case, turn it too a medium speed, then check your gpu temps.  If they decrease (which hopefully they will) then you have an airflow problem inside the case (which is what I suspect - without side fans, those gpus are getting starved of air when the gpu fans are at low speed)
                           
                          Also TIM is Thermal Interface Compound.  It is a thick liquid that you spread on top of your CPU and GPU before mounting the heatsink.  It fills in all the mircoscopic holes to ensure proper transfer of heat from the GPU/CPU to the heatsink. 
                          Too much, too little or incorrect application can mean that heat won't transfer properly, leading to overheating problems. 
                           
                          This wikipedia article is a good read, explains all about computer cooling, including thermal compounds.
                              


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                            Re:560ti Classy alone OC'ed or same with physX card added? Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:14 PM (permalink)
                            Simba123


                            well something's not right. that idle temps is too high.
                            load temp seems a bit high, but within limits.

                            What is your room temp like?

                            I see that the side of the case has 4 fan housings, can you put fans in the bottom two placements?

                            As a test. remove the side of your case, place a desk fan about 10-15 cm away from the case, turn it too a medium speed, then check your gpu temps.  If they decrease (which hopefully they will) then you have an airflow problem inside the case (which is what I suspect - without side fans, those gpus are getting starved of air when the gpu fans are at low speed)

                            Also TIM is Thermal Interface Compound.  It is a thick liquid that you spread on top of your CPU and GPU before mounting the heatsink.  It fills in all the mircoscopic holes to ensure proper transfer of heat from the GPU/CPU to the heatsink. 
                            Too much, too little or incorrect application can mean that heat won't transfer properly, leading to overheating problems. 

                            wikipedia article is a good read, explains all about computer cooling, including thermal compounds.

                             
                            Cool, thanks Simba123.  I had a feeling TIM was that, but I wasn't familiar with the acronym.
                             
                            I did what you said as a test:
                             

                             
                            The temps dropped to 56 and 54 degrees.  Significant yes, but still high in my opinion for being idle.  I have a feeling I might need to re-seat the heatsink.  Thoughts?
                             
                             
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